Capture One and Pixel Shift, I'm confused...

Class A · 04-08-2018, 09:53 AM

Thanks for the replies!

Originally posted by heckflosse

The nRead and ePerIso have been measured by Ilias (a RawTherapee contributor, who knows more about measuring them than I do).

Is Ilias a member here as well?

Originally posted by heckflosse

Just take it as meta-code and translate it to something different.

Sure, but I wonder if they are going to do it with code that is so sparsely commented. For projects of this size it is often easier to code something yourself as opposed to understand what someone else was doing. This is not to say that they couldn't learn from your experiences but depending on many factors, such as whether or not they'd wanted to adapt it so that it runs optimally on a GPU, the code as is may not be that helpful to them.

Have you tried to offer it to them?
But then, why would you?

I had a look at RT, it seems to have made big strides since I looked at it last time. Nice work!

heckflosse · 04-08-2018, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Class A

Is Ilias a member here as well?

No, but he's on pixls.us (ilias_giarimis) and on github (iliasg)

We did not try to offer it to them

About the comments in code ... I won't comment

Why should I? The readability of the code is not so bad at all.

PDL · 04-08-2018, 07:58 PM

In terms of "code" are you are assuming that this "code" will work for anything other than Pentax? Does RT support pixel shift on Olympus, Panasonic and now Sony using the same code? Or does this "code" only support Pentax?

If it only supports Pentax, then why would Phase One really care? Maybe, Phase One should buy Pentax from Rioch and eliminate a competitor and gain a IBIS technology that provides pixel shift and we (Pentax users) would finally get a decent default image processing program.

Class A · 04-08-2018, 09:59 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by PDL

In terms of "code" are you are assuming that this "code" will work for anything other than Pentax?

The code also supports Sony Pixel Shift, which should incidentally could be interesting to Phase One because they do a special Sony-dedicated version of Capture One.

Originally posted by PDL

Maybe, Phase One should buy Pentax from Rioch and eliminate a competitor and gain a IBIS technology that provides pixel shift and we (Pentax users) would finally get a decent default image processing program.

I'd say Capture One Pro is already a very decent image processing program for processing Pentax files. By using dcrawps or RT in a pre-processing state, you can also work on Pixel Shift images. In that sense, it is my "default" choice.

I wouldn't ever expect the "Pro" version to become the "free of charge" supplied default software coming with a camera, because it goes way beyond what software at this level typically provides. Capture One Express for Sony comes free with Sony cameras, but it is a stripped down version of Capture One Pro.

PDL · 04-09-2018, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by PDL

I did have a short conversation while attending a Capture One webinar where I asked if they were ever going to support pixel shift. The immediate reply was no there were no plans to support pixel shift. But as more camera body manufacturers include pixel shift (or something along those lines) there is an outside chance that Sony pixel shift just might get some attention. This could happen because Sony and Phase One are working closely together on sensor technologies for the Phase One backs.

Thank you for repeating what I said before. I have said several time on this forum and even this thread, Capture One is my preferred RAW converter.

**iheiramo** · 04-09-2018, 01:59 AM

Can you build the pixelshift in RawTherapee into single DNG and export it to be processed in Capture One?

I use CO as PP software and I'm planning to get K1ii in the future and it would be nice to be able to use pixelshift with my current procedure. I wouldn't want to go to a new software completely, but wouldn't mind the pre-PP in an other program.

**Rondec** · 04-09-2018, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by iheiramo

Can you build the pixelshift in RawTherapee into single DNG and export it to be processed in Capture One?

I use CO as PP software and I'm planning to get K1ii in the future and it would be nice to be able to use pixelshift with my current procedure. I wouldn't want to go to a new software completely, but wouldn't mind the pre-PP in an other program.

Your best option is to make a TIFF file with fairly neutral settings and then process it after the fact in whatever your favorite raw developer is.

heckflosse · 04-09-2018, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by PDL

Does RT support pixel shift on Olympus, Panasonic and now Sony using the same code?

It supports Pentax PS PEF and DNG files and Sony PS ARQ files.

heckflosse · 04-09-2018, 11:33 AM - **1 Like**

Just for fun and a bit off topic because it's not related to Capture One, but related to Pixel Shift motion detection
Detect flying birds with Pixel Shift - RawTherapee - discuss.pixls.us

heckflosse · 04-09-2018, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by PDL

There is a small, but very expensive, industry built around the digitalization of Cultural Heritage

Well, for example Home | Picturae

They use RT to process the raw files (even the Phase One IQ 100 files). Though they don't use Pixel Shift currently.

PDL · 04-09-2018, 02:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by heckflosse

Well, for example Home | Picturae

They use RT to process the raw files (even the Phase One IQ 100 files). Though they don't use Pixel Shift currently.

I checked out the site, very cool, although I could not find any mention of RT during my quick look. My first college degree was in Anthropology and the digital storage of information was in its very beginnings. When I received my degree, I bought a TRS-80 Model 1 which lead to my work in digitizing Archaeological information.

heckflosse · 04-09-2018, 02:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by PDL

I checked out the site, very cool, although I could not find any mention of RT during my quick look.

They invited me to have a look at their RT workflow last year in Novembre. That was really interesting.

Originally posted by PDL

When I received my degree, I bought a TRS-80 Model 1 which lead to my work in digitizing Archaeological information

That's very long time ago. Though I thougth being an an old one, you still beat me

I made my first steps at the age of 14, as my father bought me a C64. Ahh, not true, he told me how to read punch cards when I was 6 years old

04-09-2018, 02:58 PM - 1 Like	#27
heckflosse Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 171	Originally posted by PDL I checked out the site, very cool, although I could not find any mention of RT during my quick look. They invited me to have a look at their RT workflow last year in Novembre. That was really interesting. Originally posted by PDL When I received my degree, I bought a TRS-80 Model 1 which lead to my work in digitizing Archaeological information That's very long time ago. Though I thougth being an an old one, you still beat me I made my first steps at the age of 14, as my father bought me a C64. Ahh, not true, he told me how to read punch cards when I was 6 years old Last edited by heckflosse; 04-09-2018 at 03:49 PM.

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04-08-2018, 09:53 AM	#16
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Thanks for the replies! Originally posted by heckflosse The nRead and ePerIso have been measured by Ilias (a RawTherapee contributor, who knows more about measuring them than I do). Is Ilias a member here as well? Originally posted by heckflosse Just take it as meta-code and translate it to something different. Sure, but I wonder if they are going to do it with code that is so sparsely commented. For projects of this size it is often easier to code something yourself as opposed to understand what someone else was doing. This is not to say that they couldn't learn from your experiences but depending on many factors, such as whether or not they'd wanted to adapt it so that it runs optimally on a GPU, the code as is may not be that helpful to them. Have you tried to offer it to them? But then, why would you? I had a look at RT, it seems to have made big strides since I looked at it last time. Nice work!

04-08-2018, 10:28 AM	#17
heckflosse Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 171	Originally posted by Class A Is Ilias a member here as well? No, but he's on pixls.us (ilias_giarimis) and on github (iliasg) We did not try to offer it to them About the comments in code ... I won't comment Why should I? The readability of the code is not so bad at all.

04-08-2018, 07:58 PM	#18
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,127	In terms of "code" are you are assuming that this "code" will work for anything other than Pentax? Does RT support pixel shift on Olympus, Panasonic and now Sony using the same code? Or does this "code" only support Pentax? If it only supports Pentax, then why would Phase One really care? Maybe, Phase One should buy Pentax from Rioch and eliminate a competitor and gain a IBIS technology that provides pixel shift and we (Pentax users) would finally get a decent default image processing program.

04-08-2018, 09:59 PM - 1 Like	#19
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by PDL In terms of "code" are you are assuming that this "code" will work for anything other than Pentax? The code also supports Sony Pixel Shift, which should incidentally could be interesting to Phase One because they do a special Sony-dedicated version of Capture One. Originally posted by PDL Maybe, Phase One should buy Pentax from Rioch and eliminate a competitor and gain a IBIS technology that provides pixel shift and we (Pentax users) would finally get a decent default image processing program. I'd say Capture One Pro is already a very decent image processing program for processing Pentax files. By using dcrawps or RT in a pre-processing state, you can also work on Pixel Shift images. In that sense, it is my "default" choice. I wouldn't ever expect the "Pro" version to become the "free of charge" supplied default software coming with a camera, because it goes way beyond what software at this level typically provides. Capture One Express for Sony comes free with Sony cameras, but it is a stripped down version of Capture One Pro.

04-09-2018, 01:04 AM	#20
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,127	Originally posted by PDL I did have a short conversation while attending a Capture One webinar where I asked if they were ever going to support pixel shift. The immediate reply was no there were no plans to support pixel shift. But as more camera body manufacturers include pixel shift (or something along those lines) there is an outside chance that Sony pixel shift just might get some attention. This could happen because Sony and Phase One are working closely together on sensor technologies for the Phase One backs. Thank you for repeating what I said before. I have said several time on this forum and even this thread, Capture One is my preferred RAW converter.

04-09-2018, 01:59 AM	#21
iheiramo Unoriginal Poster Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Espoo Photos: Albums Posts: 3,180	Can you build the pixelshift in RawTherapee into single DNG and export it to be processed in Capture One? I use CO as PP software and I'm planning to get K1ii in the future and it would be nice to be able to use pixelshift with my current procedure. I wouldn't want to go to a new software completely, but wouldn't mind the pre-PP in an other program.

04-09-2018, 02:56 AM	#22
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by iheiramo Can you build the pixelshift in RawTherapee into single DNG and export it to be processed in Capture One? I use CO as PP software and I'm planning to get K1ii in the future and it would be nice to be able to use pixelshift with my current procedure. I wouldn't want to go to a new software completely, but wouldn't mind the pre-PP in an other program. Your best option is to make a TIFF file with fairly neutral settings and then process it after the fact in whatever your favorite raw developer is.

04-09-2018, 05:08 AM	#23
heckflosse Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 171	Originally posted by PDL Does RT support pixel shift on Olympus, Panasonic and now Sony using the same code? It supports Pentax PS PEF and DNG files and Sony PS ARQ files.

04-09-2018, 11:33 AM - 1 Like	#24
heckflosse Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 171	Just for fun and a bit off topic because it's not related to Capture One, but related to Pixel Shift motion detection Detect flying birds with Pixel Shift - RawTherapee - discuss.pixls.us

04-09-2018, 01:04 PM	#25
heckflosse Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 171	Originally posted by PDL There is a small, but very expensive, industry built around the digitalization of Cultural Heritage Well, for example Home \| Picturae They use RT to process the raw files (even the Phase One IQ 100 files). Though they don't use Pixel Shift currently.

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04-09-2018, 02:52 PM - 1 Like	#26
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,127	Originally posted by heckflosse Well, for example Home \| Picturae They use RT to process the raw files (even the Phase One IQ 100 files). Though they don't use Pixel Shift currently. I checked out the site, very cool, although I could not find any mention of RT during my quick look. My first college degree was in Anthropology and the digital storage of information was in its very beginnings. When I received my degree, I bought a TRS-80 Model 1 which lead to my work in digitizing Archaeological information.