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11-22-2019, 11:54 AM   #61
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I updated a long time ago. They did change a lot of stuff around, but I figured might as well get used to it 'cause it's a pain trying to learn everything at the last minute.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Serkevan Quote
for non-computer-savvy people, if the alternatives are learning Linux or hanging oneself with dental floss, almost everyone would ask "Can I have it menthol flavoured?".
(not like the old days) These days Linux is easy to use, try LinuxMint, the layout is very user friendly and familiar with Windows users, especially Win 7 or XP users, with familiarity it is not so much to learn Linux, but more to become used to the cross platform programs, Gimp, Libre Office, Darktable, Rawtherapee, Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC, all of which many use on Windows.
The file system is different and Windows exploits can not execute = no antivirus needed.
Linux is a viable alternative.
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My PC was then automatically restored to its original settings prior to my attempt. I did check beforehand to make certain my PC fulfilled all basic requirements for W10. Now, I have minimal computer skills and have no clue what this all means. Should I try it again ? Is it a lost cause
Always search the error code message online and see what Microsoft support has to say. You should find a solution on one of the Microsoft or Windows support boards. Make sure you look at replies about the exact error code.

The October 2018 (1809) and April 2019 (1903) builds were so bad I went back to the April 2018 (1803) build and turned off update. I've been installing the updates manually.

1803 has reached the end-of-life and MS just rolled out the 1909 update.
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So I just tried updating my W7 PC using the Mediacreation tool .exe. Everything was progressing nicely until I received this pop-up :

0xC1900101-0x4000D
"Install failed in SECOND BOOT phase with error during MIGRATE DATA operation.

My PC was then automatically restored to its original settings prior to my attempt. I did check beforehand to make certain my PC fulfilled all basic requirements for W10. Now, I have minimal computer skills and have no clue what this all means. Should I try it again ? Is it a lost cause ?

Thanks for the help.
I'm no expert, but I copied the text of your error message into Google and found a few possible explanations. One of the possible causes mentioned "chimed" with problems I had on the upgrade from Win7 in place to Win10.

I've done the upgrade on 2 machines and in both cases I had to uninstall my antivirus software before the upgrade and re-install it afterwards. Further, I use two encryption programs which similarly had to be uninstalled and re-installed. They both work fine with Win 10, but feature upgrades won't go ahead if they are actually installed at the time of the upgrade.

Here is the link to the page I found:- error 0xc1900101-0x4000D second boot phase migrate-data - Microsoft Community

Hope this helps.

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QuoteOriginally posted by beachgardener Quote
(not like the old days) These days Linux is easy to use, try LinuxMint, the layout is very user friendly and familiar with Windows users, especially Win 7 or XP users, with familiarity it is not so much to learn Linux, but more to become used to the cross platform programs, Gimp, Libre Office, Darktable, Rawtherapee, Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC, all of which many use on Windows.
The file system is different and Windows exploits can not execute = no antivirus needed.
Linux is a viable alternative.
I agree. Linux is a much more viable alternative now than ever before. So much so that I was recently given a project to see if we could use Linux as a solution to deploy ~200 devices across the country to all of our locations (I manage a small group of IT support people at a Fortune 500 company). Unfortunately, the timeframe I was given is unrealistic so we'll likely be stuck paying the $50 per machine for one more year of support through Windows 7. I'm still grateful for the opportunity to learn more about Linux, specifically Canonical/Ubuntu. Some very cool features are available!
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Unfortunately, the timeframe I was given is unrealistic
Ahh, bad luck on that score. In the workplace I'd imagine that there would be requirements for educating the staff in a change over, but all that can work, whole countries are turning to Linux and open source programs.
Some countries even produce a distro for their people to use, no payment necessary.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zman Quote
So I just tried updating my W7 PC using the Mediacreation tool .exe. Everything was progressing nicely until I received this pop-up :

0xC1900101-0x4000D
"Install failed in SECOND BOOT phase with error during MIGRATE DATA operation.

My PC was then automatically restored to its original settings prior to my attempt. I did check beforehand to make certain my PC fulfilled all basic requirements for W10. Now, I have minimal computer skills and have no clue what this all means. Should I try it again ? Is it a lost cause ?

Thanks for the help.
My advice would be to ensure your data is backed up, first and foremost. From there, try to do a clean install and allow the install process to essentially wipe the drive prior to installing. If you're not sure how to do this or if this is above your comfort level, then I'd say consider hiring someone to do it for you. Price it out ahead of time, because some people charge so much that it just isn't worth it to do an upgrade. If that's the case, consider replacing your Windows 7 machine with a new machine that comes with Windows 10 out of the box. Of course, Ubuntu or LinuxMint are options as well :-)

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QuoteOriginally posted by beachgardener Quote
(not like the old days) These days Linux is easy to use, try LinuxMint, the layout is very user friendly and familiar with Windows users, especially Win 7 or XP users, with familiarity it is not so much to learn Linux, but more to become used to the cross platform programs, Gimp, Libre Office, Darktable, Rawtherapee, Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC, all of which many use on Windows.
The file system is different and Windows exploits can not execute = no antivirus needed.
Linux is a viable alternative.
Did Mint get better? I had an install around ~2015 and it was still urgh for my uses. Then again, Valve has came up with a Linux emulator of sorts for a LOT of games and I should anyway move to Rawtherapee. Damn, now I'm thinking of giving it another try.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Serkevan Quote
now I'm thinking of giving it another try.
yes give it another try, for general purposes it is fine, I don't know about gaming (depends on what you want to play), there is steam, it can be installed and I think steam have its own distro. Mint is very stable and uses the current LTS or HWE kernel for that version it develops, for other or newer hardware (perhaps new Ryzen) it might need installing the newest 5.x.x kernels, they are available.
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Not everything was perfect. Not all printers had drivers for Windows 10.
Interesting. Strangely, I have not had any printer driver issues, even with a really old Fuji Xerox A3 printer I use for printing drawings, and that machine is easily 10 years old.
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(not like the old days) These days Linux is easy to use, try LinuxMint, the layout is very user friendly and familiar with Windows users, especially Win 7 or XP users, with familiarity it is not so much to learn Linux, but more to become used to the cross platform programs, Gimp, Libre Office, Darktable, Rawtherapee, Firefox, Thunderbird, VLC, all of which many use on Windows.
The file system is different and Windows exploits can not execute = no antivirus needed.
Linux is a viable alternative.
None of the specialist software I use for work, work on a Linux system. So, not viable at all, for me.
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Interesting. Strangely, I have not had any printer driver issues, even with a really old Fuji Xerox A3 printer I use for printing drawings, and that machine is easily 10 years old.
Good to know that isn't hitting all of us! I've sent out dozens of new printers to some of our home-office folks who are running some older Dell Multi-function units that just don't jive with 10. Waste of $.
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Support officially ended on the 14th. I got a popup telling me so. Today I get some updates, security and monthly quality rollups.

As of this morning free update to Windows 10 is still working.
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My Win 7 machine downloaded and performed its monthly update late on the 15th. I never got the popup; so apparently, it did not get the memo.


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I never got the popup; so apparently, it did not get the memo.
Lucky you. I got the blue screen warning in a Windows 10 style on the 14th for both the laptop with Windows 7 home edition and the desktop with the pro edition. Both were updated afterwards, I was trying to see if Microsoft was using Update to download a trojan that could disable Windows 7 at a later date, but the update files looked innocuous, so I went ahead with it. Anyone else notice that the latest security vulnerability discovered by NSA only affects Windows 10?

I've already got an extra HD for the laptop with OEM Windows 10 on it; right now I'm making a system image of the desktop, so I can install a new HD in it, get the free upgrade to 10 running on the new HD, then re-install the old HD. I'll buy an AV program once Microsoft stops updating Security Essentials and see how long I can keep running Windows 7. The only reason I don't have a test machine running XP is because its HD died and when I tried to do a clean installation of Windows from a CD, the activation server wouldn't respond (and the activation by telephone system outright refuses to do it). I can't find any way to re-install SP3 either, so its USB functionality would be pretty limited, regardless, but I have a surplus of old hardware just begging to be plugged in again.
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