DXO PhotoLab 4

**bhbrake** · 11-21-2020, 12:00 AM

I am still on DXO Photolab 2 and was tempted to upgrade as well. They usually have a sale a couple times a year. The Deep Prime noise reduction was also the most interesting feature to me, but I know they were advertising more AI enhancement features as well that seemed curious, even if not essential. I am usually pretty restrained in my editing. I use a decommissioned CAD/BIM workstation for editing and it has been performing well- just a bit of lag as startup even with a SS drive.

**Larrymc** · 12-09-2020, 09:18 AM

DXO has an update that is going to be handy for PLM shooters, which I just downloaded! They finally added a lens module for the 55-300PLM.

**bhbrake** · 12-09-2020, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

DXO has an update that is going to be handy for PLM shooters, which I just downloaded! They finally added a lens module for the 55-300PLM.

I had been wondering when this would happen. Is it live for DXO4 only? I'm on 2 still.

**Des** · 12-09-2020, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

DXO has an update that is going to be handy for PLM shooters, which I just downloaded! They finally added a lens module for the 55-300PLM.

Woo hoo!

I notice that it is supported in the K-1 and K-1ii as well. And non-KAF4 bodies like the K-30, K-01 and K-5 (I know there are hacks for the K-30, but you know what I mean).

Originally posted by bhbrake

I had been wondering when this would happen. Is it live for DXO4 only? I'm on 2 still.

The list on the DxO web site (Supported Cameras - DxO) says that the PLM lens is supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. Could you check in your version and see? (Go to "Download additional DxO modules" on the DxO Optics Modules menu, or whatever it was called in PL2.)

**Larrymc** · 12-09-2020, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by bhbrake

I had been wondering when this would happen. Is it live for DXO4 only? I'm on 2 still.

Download the module and see if it works for PL2 and if it doesn't you can always upgrade to the latest version for a very reasonable price.

**luftfluss** · 12-09-2020, 06:10 PM

I upgraded from V2 a few days ago, and so far it's OK. DeepPRIME seems no slower than PRIME.

bladerunner6 · 12-09-2020, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Des

Woo hoo!

I notice that it is supported in the K-1 and K-1ii as well. And non-KAF4 bodies like the K-30, K-01 and K-5 (I know there are hacks for the K-30, but you know what I mean).

The list on the DxO web site (Supported Cameras - DxO) says that the PLM lens is supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. Could you check in your version and see? (Go to "Download additional DxO modules" on the DxO Optics Modules menu, or whatever it was called in PL2.)

DXO supporting the 55-300PLM is definitely something that makes me significantly more interested in upgrading my software and getting the PLM.

**Larrymc** · 12-10-2020, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I upgraded from V2 a few days ago, and so far it's OK. DeepPRIME seems no slower than PRIME.

No slower but one heck of a lot better!!

**bhbrake** · 12-10-2020, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

No slower but one heck of a lot better!!

good to know. I should have taken the black friday upgrade for $59. They do a lot of sales though so I'll wait for the next one.

**Des** · 12-10-2020, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by bhbrake

good to know. I should have taken the black friday upgrade for $59. They do a lot of sales though so I'll wait for the next one.

No need to wait. They are doing another sale - PL4 upgrade is $US49.99. [Edit: That's the price mentioned on the website, but in an email this morning they said $US69.99. I suspect that $49.99 might be the price for the Essentials edition. When I upgraded from PL3 Elite to PL4 Elite in October It cost me $US69.99 - that was said to be a discount from the regular price of $US89 for that upgrade.]

Originally posted by Larrymc

Download the module and see if it works for PL2

The DxO site lists the 55-300 PLM as supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. I tried installing the modules for the 55-300 PLM on PL2 on my old laptop, by copying those downloaded in PL4 into the modules folder for PL2. They then showed as installed modules in PL2, but they don't work - PLM images are still shown as taken with an unsupported lens.

bladerunner6 · 12-10-2020, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Des

No need to wait. They are doing another sale - PL4 upgrade is $US49.99.

BTW the DxO site lists the 55-300 PLM as supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. I tried installing the modules for the 55-300 PLM on PL2 on my old laptop, by copying those downloaded in PL4 into the modules folder for PL2. They show as installed modules in PL2, but they don't work - PLM images are still shown as taken with an unsupported lens.

I am not surprised by that. In any case though it is great that they are supporting the PLM.

**luftfluss** · 01-01-2021, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

No slower but one heck of a lot better!!

I tested an image shot at ISO 1600 (K-70) and found Deep PRIME to be about twice as fast as PRIME. DP also renders subtle detail better. My CPU is an Intel i7-4790K @ 4.8 Ghz, and my GPU is an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660 Ti.

Interestingly, I find PRIME performance in PhotoLab 4 to be a bit slower than in PhotoLab 2... not that it matters to me at this point, since I'm using DP.

**Larrymc** · 01-02-2021, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I tested an image shot at ISO 1600 (K-70) and found Deep PRIME to be about twice as fast as PRIME. DP also renders subtle detail better. My CPU is an Intel i7-4790K @ 4.8 Ghz, and my GPU is an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660 Ti.

Interestingly, I find PRIME performance in PhotoLab 4 to be a bit slower than in PhotoLab 2... not that it matters to me at this point, since I'm using DP.

Yes PL4 Prime is slower that PL2 Prime for some reason. My understanding of Prime vs DeepPrime is that Prime only uses the CPU for image rendering, however, DeepPrime uses the full capability of your graphics processor even uses some GPUs that supposedly aren't fully supported. I'm very happy with what DXO is doing with PhotoLab. I've even tried pushing DeepPrime luminance all the way to the right and the detail is still there so they have a winner with PL4.1.1.

LeeRunge · 01-05-2021, 04:10 PM

I've been using the latest version of DXO in combination with Luminar. Luminar hits pretty close in one shot with the highlights and shadows, then I'll export it over and finish up in DXO. Seems to work well for me and a pretty fast workflow. DeepPrime is the best denoise program I've used so far. Luminar works IMO very well to get a shot 90% there in one click. I don't use the weird sky replacement stuff in there but the AI adjust works pretty well.

**Larrymc** · 01-05-2021, 05:47 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by LeeRunge

I've been using the latest version of DXO in combination with Luminar. Luminar hits pretty close in one shot with the highlights and shadows, then I'll export it over and finish up in DXO. Seems to work well for me and a pretty fast workflow. DeepPrime is the best denoise program I've used so far. Luminar works IMO very well to get a shot 90% there in one click. I don't use the weird sky replacement stuff in there but the AI adjust works pretty well.

DeepPrime is definitely the best I have ever used and the effort to get a basically noiseless image is minimal.

12-10-2020, 02:00 PM	#40
Des Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Victoria Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 6,423	Originally posted by bhbrake good to know. I should have taken the black friday upgrade for $59. They do a lot of sales though so I'll wait for the next one. No need to wait. They are doing another sale - PL4 upgrade is $US49.99. [Edit: That's the price mentioned on the website, but in an email this morning they said $US69.99. I suspect that $49.99 might be the price for the Essentials edition. When I upgraded from PL3 Elite to PL4 Elite in October It cost me $US69.99 - that was said to be a discount from the regular price of $US89 for that upgrade.] Originally posted by Larrymc Download the module and see if it works for PL2 The DxO site lists the 55-300 PLM as supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. I tried installing the modules for the 55-300 PLM on PL2 on my old laptop, by copying those downloaded in PL4 into the modules folder for PL2. They then showed as installed modules in PL2, but they don't work - PLM images are still shown as taken with an unsupported lens. Last edited by Des; 12-10-2020 at 05:07 PM.

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11-21-2020, 12:00 AM	#31
bhbrake Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Colorado Photos: Albums Posts: 332	I am still on DXO Photolab 2 and was tempted to upgrade as well. They usually have a sale a couple times a year. The Deep Prime noise reduction was also the most interesting feature to me, but I know they were advertising more AI enhancement features as well that seemed curious, even if not essential. I am usually pretty restrained in my editing. I use a decommissioned CAD/BIM workstation for editing and it has been performing well- just a bit of lag as startup even with a SS drive.

12-09-2020, 09:18 AM	#32
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251 Original Poster	DXO has an update that is going to be handy for PLM shooters, which I just downloaded! They finally added a lens module for the 55-300PLM.

12-09-2020, 11:07 AM	#33
bhbrake Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Colorado Photos: Albums Posts: 332	Originally posted by Larrymc DXO has an update that is going to be handy for PLM shooters, which I just downloaded! They finally added a lens module for the 55-300PLM. I had been wondering when this would happen. Is it live for DXO4 only? I'm on 2 still.

12-09-2020, 12:26 PM	#34
Des Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Victoria Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 6,423	Originally posted by Larrymc DXO has an update that is going to be handy for PLM shooters, which I just downloaded! They finally added a lens module for the 55-300PLM. Woo hoo! I notice that it is supported in the K-1 and K-1ii as well. And non-KAF4 bodies like the K-30, K-01 and K-5 (I know there are hacks for the K-30, but you know what I mean). Originally posted by bhbrake I had been wondering when this would happen. Is it live for DXO4 only? I'm on 2 still. The list on the DxO web site (Supported Cameras - DxO) says that the PLM lens is supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. Could you check in your version and see? (Go to "Download additional DxO modules" on the DxO Optics Modules menu, or whatever it was called in PL2.)

12-09-2020, 05:59 PM	#35
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by bhbrake I had been wondering when this would happen. Is it live for DXO4 only? I'm on 2 still. Download the module and see if it works for PL2 and if it doesn't you can always upgrade to the latest version for a very reasonable price.

12-09-2020, 06:10 PM	#36
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	I upgraded from V2 a few days ago, and so far it's OK. DeepPRIME seems no slower than PRIME.

12-09-2020, 06:25 PM	#37
bladerunner6 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by Des Woo hoo! I notice that it is supported in the K-1 and K-1ii as well. And non-KAF4 bodies like the K-30, K-01 and K-5 (I know there are hacks for the K-30, but you know what I mean). The list on the DxO web site (Supported Cameras - DxO) says that the PLM lens is supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. Could you check in your version and see? (Go to "Download additional DxO modules" on the DxO Optics Modules menu, or whatever it was called in PL2.) DXO supporting the 55-300PLM is definitely something that makes me significantly more interested in upgrading my software and getting the PLM.

12-10-2020, 09:29 AM	#38
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by luftfluss I upgraded from V2 a few days ago, and so far it's OK. DeepPRIME seems no slower than PRIME. No slower but one heck of a lot better!!

12-10-2020, 11:01 AM	#39
bhbrake Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Colorado Photos: Albums Posts: 332	Originally posted by Larrymc No slower but one heck of a lot better!! good to know. I should have taken the black friday upgrade for $59. They do a lot of sales though so I'll wait for the next one.

12-10-2020, 03:28 PM	#41
bladerunner6 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by Des No need to wait. They are doing another sale - PL4 upgrade is $US49.99. BTW the DxO site lists the 55-300 PLM as supported from PhotoLab 3.0.0. I tried installing the modules for the 55-300 PLM on PL2 on my old laptop, by copying those downloaded in PL4 into the modules folder for PL2. They show as installed modules in PL2, but they don't work - PLM images are still shown as taken with an unsupported lens. I am not surprised by that. In any case though it is great that they are supporting the PLM.

01-01-2021, 11:37 PM	#42
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by Larrymc No slower but one heck of a lot better!! I tested an image shot at ISO 1600 (K-70) and found Deep PRIME to be about twice as fast as PRIME. DP also renders subtle detail better. My CPU is an Intel i7-4790K @ 4.8 Ghz, and my GPU is an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660 Ti. Interestingly, I find PRIME performance in PhotoLab 4 to be a bit slower than in PhotoLab 2... not that it matters to me at this point, since I'm using DP.

01-02-2021, 09:07 PM	#43
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by luftfluss I tested an image shot at ISO 1600 (K-70) and found Deep PRIME to be about twice as fast as PRIME. DP also renders subtle detail better. My CPU is an Intel i7-4790K @ 4.8 Ghz, and my GPU is an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660 Ti. Interestingly, I find PRIME performance in PhotoLab 4 to be a bit slower than in PhotoLab 2... not that it matters to me at this point, since I'm using DP. Yes PL4 Prime is slower that PL2 Prime for some reason. My understanding of Prime vs DeepPrime is that Prime only uses the CPU for image rendering, however, DeepPrime uses the full capability of your graphics processor even uses some GPUs that supposedly aren't fully supported. I'm very happy with what DXO is doing with PhotoLab. I've even tried pushing DeepPrime luminance all the way to the right and the detail is still there so they have a winner with PL4.1.1.

01-05-2021, 04:10 PM	#44
LeeRunge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 993	I've been using the latest version of DXO in combination with Luminar. Luminar hits pretty close in one shot with the highlights and shadows, then I'll export it over and finish up in DXO. Seems to work well for me and a pretty fast workflow. DeepPrime is the best denoise program I've used so far. Luminar works IMO very well to get a shot 90% there in one click. I don't use the weird sky replacement stuff in there but the AI adjust works pretty well.

01-05-2021, 05:47 PM - 1 Like	#45
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by LeeRunge I've been using the latest version of DXO in combination with Luminar. Luminar hits pretty close in one shot with the highlights and shadows, then I'll export it over and finish up in DXO. Seems to work well for me and a pretty fast workflow. DeepPrime is the best denoise program I've used so far. Luminar works IMO very well to get a shot 90% there in one click. I don't use the weird sky replacement stuff in there but the AI adjust works pretty well. DeepPrime is definitely the best I have ever used and the effort to get a basically noiseless image is minimal.