PS CS4 + Camera RAW where is it ?

Squier · 04-23-2009, 06:43 PM

As a recent convert to DSLR'ing, i want to learn RAW convesrsions, so got myself PS CS4 11.01 and I was under the impression that Camwera Raw was included inside CS4, but i can't see it. Its not under any of the tabs - so i went to Adobe and their download page and saw Camera Raw 5.3 update, so downloaded that and installed it. I thought this would automatically embed itself in CS4 but i still cant see it.

It remains as a stand alone .EXE in one of my folders. Is this how it is ?

So if want to import DNG files from my Cam, will they go to CS4 or the stand alone Camera Raw program elsewhere on my PC ?

Thx !

Grimlock · 04-23-2009, 07:27 PM

As soon as you attempt to open a RAW file in PS, it'll automatically open it in Camera Raw first. After you make your adjustments in Raw, click "Open Image" in the bottom-right to open it in PS.

Niki · 04-23-2009, 07:53 PM

Im not real sure I like how they have that set up, got a feeling it will change (hopefully for the better) in subsequent CS versions.

Wheatfield · 04-23-2009, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Niki

Im not real sure I like how they have that set up, got a feeling it will change (hopefully for the better) in subsequent CS versions.

There's no problems. You can open the raw file into Photoshop, or you can save the converted file without opening it in Photoshop at various resolutions, colour spaces and formats.

Squier · 04-24-2009, 04:52 AM

Thanks for info the Wheatfield !

HowLowCanYaGo · 04-24-2009, 05:35 AM

Additionally, you might want to look at Lightroom (also developed by Adobe). It is a raw editor/file organizer itself and fully compatible with PS.

Niki · 04-24-2009, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

There's no problems. You can open the raw file into Photoshop, or you can save the converted file without opening it in Photoshop at various resolutions, colour spaces and formats.

right, no problems here either
Im just not totally happy with the format, its a comp geek thing =)
Might check out Lightroom too...

Wheatfield · 04-24-2009, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Niki

right, no problems here either
Im just not totally happy with the format, its a comp geek thing =)
Might check out Lightroom too...

You guys do tend to over anylize these things a bit.
Don't forget that the majority of us use computers the same way we use cars.
I don't even change my own oil. It's tool that takes me from point a to b, and it had better make it as easy for me as is possible.
At the same time, I like to have some control over the thing, which is why I insist on a steering wheel and a gas pedal, and is also why I use a PC rather than a Mac.

ChrisJ · 04-25-2009, 12:54 PM

The Raw converter is linked to Bridge, not directly to PS.

If your in PS go to File>Browse and Bridge will open, select the file from the left hand window and all your PEF files will open as thumbnails. Double click on any picture and the Raw Converter will open.

IMHO iPhoto is one of the worst cataloguing programs out there, its not a patch on Bridge which has hidden depths. Did you know it can open and play most any codec of video for instance?

ChrisJ

Squier · 04-25-2009, 04:58 PM

Well i shot some DNG's rather than PEFS, and if i right click on the file and ' open with ' i get the choice of CS4 and a few other things, but Camera Raw isnt on the list, so i choose CS4 and it opens ok, but its Camera Raw that opens it.

Weird - i cant choose it from the Open With drop down list, but if a choose CS4 , then it opens in Camera Raw ?

It must be embedded somewhere

Wheatfield · 04-25-2009, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Squier

Well i shot some DNG's rather than PEFS, and if i right click on the file and ' open with ' i get the choice of CS4 and a few other things, but Camera Raw isnt on the list, so i choose CS4 and it opens ok, but its Camera Raw that opens it.

Weird - i cant choose it from the Open With drop down list, but if a choose CS4 , then it opens in Camera Raw ?

It must be embedded somewhere

That's correct.

Squier · 04-27-2009, 03:30 PM

Aha ..thanks bud

WerTicus · 04-28-2009, 10:04 AM

yeah camera raw feels a little detached from photoshop itself... it should really just be able to edit the files natively.

i did find out you can open multiple raws at once and apply the same wb etc. I use bridge cs4 to open files usually its a pretty good viewer.

res3567 · 04-28-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Squier

Well i shot some DNG's rather than PEFS, and if i right click on the file and ' open with ' i get the choice of CS4 and a few other things, but Camera Raw isnt on the list, so i choose CS4 and it opens ok, but its Camera Raw that opens it.

Weird - i cant choose it from the Open With drop down list, but if a choose CS4 , then it opens in Camera Raw ?

It must be embedded somewhere

Yes. ACR is a program within a program. It will usually automatically detect Raw files and open up for those files if you select the files for editing. I had to find out the hard way also. And like Wheatfield said, you have the option to convert the file as well without any PP.

Squier · 05-06-2009, 05:36 PM

yup, i've been throwing myself into it a bit and have sussed this out now.

04-23-2009, 06:43 PM	#1
Squier Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxfordshire UK Photos: Albums Posts: 706	PS CS4 + Camera RAW where is it ? As a recent convert to DSLR'ing, i want to learn RAW convesrsions, so got myself PS CS4 11.01 and I was under the impression that Camwera Raw was included inside CS4, but i can't see it. Its not under any of the tabs - so i went to Adobe and their download page and saw Camera Raw 5.3 update, so downloaded that and installed it. I thought this would automatically embed itself in CS4 but i still cant see it. It remains as a stand alone .EXE in one of my folders. Is this how it is ? So if want to import DNG files from my Cam, will they go to CS4 or the stand alone Camera Raw program elsewhere on my PC ? Thx !

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Grimlock Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 115	As soon as you attempt to open a RAW file in PS, it'll automatically open it in Camera Raw first. After you make your adjustments in Raw, click "Open Image" in the bottom-right to open it in PS.

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Niki Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 244	Im not real sure I like how they have that set up, got a feeling it will change (hopefully for the better) in subsequent CS versions.

04-23-2009, 08:33 PM	#4
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Niki Im not real sure I like how they have that set up, got a feeling it will change (hopefully for the better) in subsequent CS versions. There's no problems. You can open the raw file into Photoshop, or you can save the converted file without opening it in Photoshop at various resolutions, colour spaces and formats.

04-24-2009, 04:52 AM	#5
Squier Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxfordshire UK Photos: Albums Posts: 706 Original Poster	Thanks for info the Wheatfield !

04-24-2009, 05:35 AM	#6
HowLowCanYaGo Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 243	Additionally, you might want to look at Lightroom (also developed by Adobe). It is a raw editor/file organizer itself and fully compatible with PS.

04-24-2009, 05:48 AM	#7
Niki Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 244	Originally posted by Wheatfield There's no problems. You can open the raw file into Photoshop, or you can save the converted file without opening it in Photoshop at various resolutions, colour spaces and formats. right, no problems here either Im just not totally happy with the format, its a comp geek thing =) Might check out Lightroom too...

04-24-2009, 06:50 AM	#8
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Niki right, no problems here either Im just not totally happy with the format, its a comp geek thing =) Might check out Lightroom too... You guys do tend to over anylize these things a bit. Don't forget that the majority of us use computers the same way we use cars. I don't even change my own oil. It's tool that takes me from point a to b, and it had better make it as easy for me as is possible. At the same time, I like to have some control over the thing, which is why I insist on a steering wheel and a gas pedal, and is also why I use a PC rather than a Mac.

04-25-2009, 12:54 PM	#9
ChrisJ Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eckington, Derbyshire UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 316	The Raw converter is linked to Bridge, not directly to PS. If your in PS go to File>Browse and Bridge will open, select the file from the left hand window and all your PEF files will open as thumbnails. Double click on any picture and the Raw Converter will open. IMHO iPhoto is one of the worst cataloguing programs out there, its not a patch on Bridge which has hidden depths. Did you know it can open and play most any codec of video for instance? ChrisJ

04-25-2009, 04:58 PM	#10
Squier Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxfordshire UK Photos: Albums Posts: 706 Original Poster	Well i shot some DNG's rather than PEFS, and if i right click on the file and ' open with ' i get the choice of CS4 and a few other things, but Camera Raw isnt on the list, so i choose CS4 and it opens ok, but its Camera Raw that opens it. Weird - i cant choose it from the Open With drop down list, but if a choose CS4 , then it opens in Camera Raw ? It must be embedded somewhere

04-25-2009, 05:52 PM	#11
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Squier Well i shot some DNG's rather than PEFS, and if i right click on the file and ' open with ' i get the choice of CS4 and a few other things, but Camera Raw isnt on the list, so i choose CS4 and it opens ok, but its Camera Raw that opens it. Weird - i cant choose it from the Open With drop down list, but if a choose CS4 , then it opens in Camera Raw ? It must be embedded somewhere That's correct.

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04-27-2009, 03:30 PM	#12
Squier Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxfordshire UK Photos: Albums Posts: 706 Original Poster	Aha ..thanks bud

04-28-2009, 10:04 AM	#13
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	yeah camera raw feels a little detached from photoshop itself... it should really just be able to edit the files natively. i did find out you can open multiple raws at once and apply the same wb etc. I use bridge cs4 to open files usually its a pretty good viewer.

04-28-2009, 11:10 AM	#14
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	Originally posted by Squier Well i shot some DNG's rather than PEFS, and if i right click on the file and ' open with ' i get the choice of CS4 and a few other things, but Camera Raw isnt on the list, so i choose CS4 and it opens ok, but its Camera Raw that opens it. Weird - i cant choose it from the Open With drop down list, but if a choose CS4 , then it opens in Camera Raw ? It must be embedded somewhere Yes. ACR is a program within a program. It will usually automatically detect Raw files and open up for those files if you select the files for editing. I had to find out the hard way also. And like Wheatfield said, you have the option to convert the file as well without any PP.

05-06-2009, 05:36 PM	#15
Squier Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxfordshire UK Photos: Albums Posts: 706 Original Poster	yup, i've been throwing myself into it a bit and have sussed this out now.