2 Photographer's arrested while shooting photos of Astor Estate gate

MRRiley · 07-23-2010, 04:44 AM

Photographers arrested near Chelsea's rumored wedding site - The Daily Freeman News: Serving the Hudson Valley since 1871(DailyFreeman.com)

The 2 Norwegians were arrested while taking photos of the gate of the Astor Estate where Chelsea Clinton is rumored to be getting married soon.

Evidently the police claim they were trespassing while the photographers claim they were on public property.

I'm not taking sides either way since there are no real details available at this time, but just bringing the occurance to the attention of the forum.

Mike

Last edited by MRRiley; 07-23-2010 at 07:58 AM.

Ira · 07-23-2010, 05:45 AM

I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge she was getting married there next Saturday, not a rumor.

Rupert · 07-23-2010, 06:38 AM

Another case of where we only have part of the story. Might be an unjustified and outrageous arrest...or might be that it was fully justified. I've noticed that the "whole truth" is becoming difficult to obtain....you noticed that too?
Best Regards!

MRRiley · 07-23-2010, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

Another case of where we only have part of the story. Might be an unjustified and outrageous arrest...or might be that it was fully justified. I've noticed that the "whole truth" is becoming difficult to obtain....you noticed that too?
Best Regards!

As I said... I'm not making a judgement at this time because there is little if any actual evidence either way... just pointing out the situation. The photos they have (if not deleted either by themselves or by the police) and the exif (focal length primarily) should provide ample evidence of their actual location and should be able to prove the case either way.

Could be an interesting forensic exercise...

Mike

dragonfly · 07-23-2010, 09:13 AM

I can understand why they want the area to be secure.

cwood · 07-23-2010, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by dragonfly

I can understand why they want the area to be secure.

Indeed. If the area was not trespass then someone was not doing their homework. If I was planning a wedding for someone that famous I would plan it with the thought that people will be using 800mm lenses on 20MP bodies to get their shots.

Either way - the only thing apparent here is that someone screwed up and we don't know who.

JACOBY · 07-23-2010, 11:38 AM

I never cared for the girl anyway

RioRico · 07-23-2010, 02:17 PM

My first wedding was in the minister's chambers of a prominent church. Nobody attended.
My second wedding was in a rural front yard with many attendees, but I'm not famous. Yet.
My daughter's wedding was a formal masque in a gothic hall on Hallowe'en. Secure enough.
I should mention that more than a few cutting-edge and celebrity chefs were involved there.

If I were planning Chelsea Clinton's wedding, I'd consider several approaches:

* A small private ceremony; a big celebration party later, when it's too late for bothersome paparazzi invasions.
* A big wedding party on a small island within a large private lake, with barrage balloons to discourage intruding aircraft.
* Inside a large (well-lit) cavern. Perfect security, and nice reverberations for the music (provided by Lada Gaga).
* If it's to be a BIG party, rent the Vehicle Assembly Building at Cape Canaveral. Just don't hire Blackwater security.
* Bugger all that -- just elope and get it over with.

reeftool · 07-23-2010, 06:00 PM

I'm familiar with the area as my wife was born and raised in Rhinebeck. The Astor estate is well known and probably photographed a lot. It is a very rural area with narrow country roads. It isn't like being on a city street with sidewalks. I believe the road that goes by is a county road but I'm not sure if the estate gates are on the road or up a private road on the property. There are more than one building on the property and some have been leased as a school and as a handicapped home in the past. They may have been on private property. I'm sure security is very tight with a former President and a Sec. of State's family having a wedding there. They are probably being very strict about tresspassing.

subeeds · 07-23-2010, 06:07 PM

If they wanted privacy, they could have done like JFK, Jr. did and get married on Cumberland Island. That's easy to set up for privacy and security. That family blew in and out of this small community so fast, they were gone before the rumors started. LOL!

reeftool · 07-23-2010, 06:31 PM

I just asked my wife. The Estate gates are on River Rd, which is a public Dutchess County road. If the photographers were shooting from the road, they were on public property.

Rhinebeck is a pretty small place. The only time it gets busy is County Fair week in August. My Mother in Law says it's busier than fair week.

07-23-2010, 04:44 AM	#1
MRRiley Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling, VA, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,275	2 Photographer's arrested while shooting photos of Astor Estate gate Photographers arrested near Chelsea's rumored wedding site - The Daily Freeman News: Serving the Hudson Valley since 1871(DailyFreeman.com) The 2 Norwegians were arrested while taking photos of the gate of the Astor Estate where Chelsea Clinton is rumored to be getting married soon. Evidently the police claim they were trespassing while the photographers claim they were on public property. I'm not taking sides either way since there are no real details available at this time, but just bringing the occurance to the attention of the forum. Mike Last edited by MRRiley; 07-23-2010 at 07:58 AM.

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07-23-2010, 05:45 AM	#2
Ira Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Coral Springs, FL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,216	I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge she was getting married there next Saturday, not a rumor.

07-23-2010, 06:38 AM	#3
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Another case of where we only have part of the story. Might be an unjustified and outrageous arrest...or might be that it was fully justified. I've noticed that the "whole truth" is becoming difficult to obtain....you noticed that too? Best Regards!

07-23-2010, 08:04 AM	#4
MRRiley Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling, VA, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,275 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rupert Another case of where we only have part of the story. Might be an unjustified and outrageous arrest...or might be that it was fully justified. I've noticed that the "whole truth" is becoming difficult to obtain....you noticed that too? Best Regards! As I said... I'm not making a judgement at this time because there is little if any actual evidence either way... just pointing out the situation. The photos they have (if not deleted either by themselves or by the police) and the exif (focal length primarily) should provide ample evidence of their actual location and should be able to prove the case either way. Could be an interesting forensic exercise... Mike

07-23-2010, 09:13 AM	#5
dragonfly Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: on the wall Photos: Gallery Posts: 715	I can understand why they want the area to be secure.

07-23-2010, 11:23 AM	#6
cwood Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 851	Originally posted by dragonfly I can understand why they want the area to be secure. Indeed. If the area was not trespass then someone was not doing their homework. If I was planning a wedding for someone that famous I would plan it with the thought that people will be using 800mm lenses on 20MP bodies to get their shots. Either way - the only thing apparent here is that someone screwed up and we don't know who.

07-23-2010, 02:17 PM	#8
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	My first wedding was in the minister's chambers of a prominent church. Nobody attended. My second wedding was in a rural front yard with many attendees, but I'm not famous. Yet. My daughter's wedding was a formal masque in a gothic hall on Hallowe'en. Secure enough. I should mention that more than a few cutting-edge and celebrity chefs were involved there. If I were planning Chelsea Clinton's wedding, I'd consider several approaches: * A small private ceremony; a big celebration party later, when it's too late for bothersome paparazzi invasions. * A big wedding party on a small island within a large private lake, with barrage balloons to discourage intruding aircraft. * Inside a large (well-lit) cavern. Perfect security, and nice reverberations for the music (provided by Lada Gaga). * If it's to be a BIG party, rent the Vehicle Assembly Building at Cape Canaveral. Just don't hire Blackwater security. * Bugger all that -- just elope and get it over with.

07-23-2010, 06:00 PM	#9
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	I'm familiar with the area as my wife was born and raised in Rhinebeck. The Astor estate is well known and probably photographed a lot. It is a very rural area with narrow country roads. It isn't like being on a city street with sidewalks. I believe the road that goes by is a county road but I'm not sure if the estate gates are on the road or up a private road on the property. There are more than one building on the property and some have been leased as a school and as a handicapped home in the past. They may have been on private property. I'm sure security is very tight with a former President and a Sec. of State's family having a wedding there. They are probably being very strict about tresspassing.

07-23-2010, 06:07 PM	#10
subeeds Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camden County, Ga. Photos: Gallery Posts: 333	If they wanted privacy, they could have done like JFK, Jr. did and get married on Cumberland Island. That's easy to set up for privacy and security. That family blew in and out of this small community so fast, they were gone before the rumors started. LOL!

07-23-2010, 06:31 PM	#11
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	I just asked my wife. The Estate gates are on River Rd, which is a public Dutchess County road. If the photographers were shooting from the road, they were on public property. Rhinebeck is a pretty small place. The only time it gets busy is County Fair week in August. My Mother in Law says it's busier than fair week.