The Appeal of EVIL Cameras

timh · 12-30-2010, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by johnmflores

Is in-camera correction of lens distortion "cheating" or "smart engineering"?

I'm not sure it's either, but if the image is reasonably sharp after a correction like that the lens and sensor must be very very good indeed. (Is it?)

My initial reaction was to classify lens correction along with "digital zoom" but if it actually works, that's awesome.

Blue · 12-30-2010, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by timh

I'm not sure it's either, but if the image is reasonably sharp after a correction like that the lens and sensor must be very very good indeed. (Is it?)

My initial reaction was to classify lens correction along with "digital zoom" but if it actually works, that's awesome.

Oly and Panny's in camera corrections are quite good and so much so that they have decided to not bother having the corrections done in the lens designs. I wonder how good the primes would be had they done so.

That brings up a whole new philosophical question: Is it post processing if the camera's "engine" does it?

**Ash** · 12-30-2010, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Blue

That brings up a whole new philosophical question: Is it post processing if the camera's "engine" does it? :Frankie:

By definition, yes!
But by the same token, the subsequent question to be asked is: who cares?
If the camera corrects distortion, applies contrast/saturation, manipulates highlights, processes for HDR, it's all PP - but where would we be without them? We'd be doing it all anyway in our favoured PP software package...

borno · 12-30-2010, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by timh

I'm glad you like it, but I never really saw the point of the NX10.. It's only about 80g lighter than the K-x - admittedly 2-3cm slimmer but it's still firmly in the "full size camera" bracket to my mind. The NX100, that's compact...

I like to have a viewfinder, I can keep the camera a lot steadier with it pressed to my eye. I like the size of the nx10, it will fit in my jacket pocket with the 30mm f2 attached (permanently

). I think it is great there are so many good choices in cameras now and the evil camera segment will really take off in the near future.

johnmflores · 12-30-2010, 02:39 PM

The DA Limiteds look right at home on the Panasonic GH2...

And they render pretty nicely too:

Blue · 12-30-2010, 05:11 PM

I have one of those adapters on the way for my Oly. I'm looking forward to trying the DA 21 ltd, 35mm ltd, FA 77 ltd and the A 50/1.2 on it along with some others.

**Ash** · 12-31-2010, 01:03 AM

So it looks to be yet another tool to utilise classic Pentax glass.

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12-30-2010, 09:59 AM	#46
timh Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wales Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 445	Originally posted by johnmflores Is in-camera correction of lens distortion "cheating" or "smart engineering"? I'm not sure it's either, but if the image is reasonably sharp after a correction like that the lens and sensor must be very very good indeed. (Is it?) My initial reaction was to classify lens correction along with "digital zoom" but if it actually works, that's awesome.

12-30-2010, 11:50 AM	#47
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by timh I'm not sure it's either, but if the image is reasonably sharp after a correction like that the lens and sensor must be very very good indeed. (Is it?) My initial reaction was to classify lens correction along with "digital zoom" but if it actually works, that's awesome. Oly and Panny's in camera corrections are quite good and so much so that they have decided to not bother having the corrections done in the lens designs. I wonder how good the primes would be had they done so. That brings up a whole new philosophical question: Is it post processing if the camera's "engine" does it?

12-30-2010, 01:19 PM	#48
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920 Original Poster	Originally posted by Blue That brings up a whole new philosophical question: Is it post processing if the camera's "engine" does it? :Frankie: By definition, yes! But by the same token, the subsequent question to be asked is: who cares? If the camera corrects distortion, applies contrast/saturation, manipulates highlights, processes for HDR, it's all PP - but where would we be without them? We'd be doing it all anyway in our favoured PP software package...

12-30-2010, 02:06 PM	#49
borno Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: md-usa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,580	Originally posted by timh I'm glad you like it, but I never really saw the point of the NX10.. It's only about 80g lighter than the K-x - admittedly 2-3cm slimmer but it's still firmly in the "full size camera" bracket to my mind. The NX100, that's compact... I like to have a viewfinder, I can keep the camera a lot steadier with it pressed to my eye. I like the size of the nx10, it will fit in my jacket pocket with the 30mm f2 attached (permanently ). I think it is great there are so many good choices in cameras now and the evil camera segment will really take off in the near future.

12-30-2010, 02:39 PM	#50
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	The DA Limiteds look right at home on the Panasonic GH2... And they render pretty nicely too:

12-30-2010, 05:11 PM	#51
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	I have one of those adapters on the way for my Oly. I'm looking forward to trying the DA 21 ltd, 35mm ltd, FA 77 ltd and the A 50/1.2 on it along with some others.

12-31-2010, 01:03 AM	#52
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920 Original Poster	So it looks to be yet another tool to utilise classic Pentax glass.