full frame DSLR camera, when?

yxy728 · 04-27-2011, 08:38 PM

when does pentax release his full frame DSLR camera?

or
does pentax only focus on 645, and drop full frame?

SpecialK · 04-27-2011, 08:48 PM

Can't drop what you don't hold.

Done and dead subject :-)

**Ash** · 04-27-2011, 09:07 PM

If you want a FF camera, there are plenty available now.
5D, 1DMkIII, D700, D3, a850...

Don't wait for Pentax to come out with theirs.
They hold a much slimmer portion of market share and APS-C seems to be doing a good job for them at present. There are enough threads here talking about how the K-5 compares favourably with the 5D.

Vylen · 04-27-2011, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Ash

If you want a FF camera, there are plenty available now.
5D, 1DMkIII, D700, D3, a850...

Don't wait for Pentax to come out with theirs.
They hold a much slimmer portion of market share and APS-C seems to be doing a good job for them at present. There are enough threads here talking about how the K-5 compares favourably with the 5D.

This, and there's that recent interview in which it was said they're concentrating more on the 645D to be the professional Pentax camera rather than introduce a FF camera.

pmastello · 04-27-2011, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by yxy728

when does pentax release his full frame DSLR camera?

Pentax is a man? I always thought of it as a lady

Qiki · 04-27-2011, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Vylen

This, and there's that recent interview in which it was said they're concentrating more on the 645D to be the professional Pentax camera rather than introduce a FF camera.

Is this a quote from Pentax themselves? If they qualified this by stating it is Pentax's professional landscape or portraiture camera then it would seem to be a credible statement. But in it's current form (1 FPS etc) could it ever be regarded as a professional 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D model?

glanglois · 04-27-2011, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by yxy728

when does pentax release his full frame DSLR camera?

or
does pentax only focus on 645, and drop full frame?

We will see FF when this forum goes an entire year without the question being asked.

Is there an emoticon for terminal boredom?

yxy728 · 04-27-2011, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by pmastello

always thought of it as a lady

Originally posted by SpecialK

Done and

i think pentax is a man, and takumar is lady. haha.

yxy728 · 04-27-2011, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Ash

If you want a FF camera, there are plenty available now.
5D, 1DMkIII, D700, D3, a850...

Don't wait for Pentax to come out with theirs.
They hold a much slimmer portion of market share and APS-C seems to be doing a good job for them at present. There are enough threads here talking about how the K-5 compares favourably with the 5D.

my grandpa had a Asahi Pentax SP II, but its shutter is not accurate.
my father use pentax z1. now i use k7. however, my old takumar is hardly to show their talent on k7, because k7 is APS-C and it "cuts" my fish-eye lens.
i know i can get a Canon or Nikon's, but i have no plan to change my style.

Kunzite · 04-27-2011, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Qiki

Is this a quote from Pentax themselves? If they qualified this by stating it is Pentax's professional landscape or portraiture camera then it would seem to be a credible statement. But in it's current form (1 FPS etc) could it ever be regarded as a professional 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D model?

It doesn't have to be an 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D to be professional. Pentax never competed on that market, but had some nice MF cameras.
Pentax doesn't have the resources to compete directly with the D3/1D anyway... trying to launch such a camera would certainly kill them. The 645D, otoh, is another story.

Vylen · 04-27-2011, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Qiki

Is this a quote from Pentax themselves? If they qualified this by stating it is Pentax's professional landscape or portraiture camera then it would seem to be a credible statement. But in it's current form (1 FPS etc) could it ever be regarded as a professional 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D model?

From here. Take it as you will.

**maxfield_photo** · 04-27-2011, 11:29 PM

I'd love to see it happen because I have no interest in switching to Canon or Nikon to get my FF.

I've got some money burning a hole in my pocket right now. It's not enough to buy a 645D, but it's enough to buy a new body. I miss my exaggerated perspective, so I can either spend the money on a body that will give it to me, or a new lens that will compensate for the shortcomings of an APS-C sensor. Pentax makes a 12-24mm, but that's the equivalent of an 18-36mm, it's just not wide enough for what I need, so my dollars would have to go to Sigma for their 8-16mm. I can do that, but I'd much rather support Pentax if only they'd offer what I need.

I think there are quite a few pros out there who would be willing to spend a couple thousand on a professional Pentax body, but 15 grand for the 645D and one lens is a bit prohibitive. There's money to be made with a happy medium (and yes, I realize that's the slogan of the 645) I'm just an enthusiast and I'd buy one, so how many more folks are there like me out there?

There's a perception out there that "professionals only shoot Nikon or Canon", and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Someone who has never bought an entry level DSLR before probably hasn't heard of Pentax, so in that person's mind there are two paths to take, Canon or Nikon. So they pick one of the two, and when it;s time to move into a more advanced camera, they stick with the brand they've been using, partly for lens compatibility, and partly for brand loyalty. Until pros and semi-pros start to see Pentax as a serious alternative to the big two, the company is going to have to be content with the table scraps that land on the floor. Goofy-colored cameras don't help the image, but money is money, so I've made my peace with that. Now I'm not knockin' the 645D, it's doing wonders to promote the professional image of the company, but the price is a bit prohibitive even for some professional shooters.

wll · 04-28-2011, 01:17 AM

Pentax, will make more lenses and probably other accessories for the 645 system.

No FF as they are set on the APS-C sensor size.

If you want FF you need to go to another system, Pentax is not going there.

If you want to see about the possibility of FF go http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2011/04/interview-with-hoyas-pentax-top.html

wll

Qiki · 04-28-2011, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by wll

Pentax, will make more lenses and probably other accessories for the 645 system.

No FF as they are set on the APS-C sensor size.

If you want FF you need to go to another system, Pentax is not going there.

If you want to see about the possibility of FF go RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: Interview with Hoya's Pentax Top Officials at China P&E

wll

Taken directly from the article quoted:

However, Pentax is not eliminating any possibility for making one whenever market need is there.

In other words, Pentax is content to sit back and see how far competitors manage to grow the FF market before they enter the market themselves. This may prove to be a smart gambit (if FF flops). However, if they do decide to enter the market late they are going to be playing big-time catch up. Not so much because of the development time for a FF body, but because they no longer produce a range of FF compatible lenses.

thibs · 04-28-2011, 03:17 AM

But that's what they say each time for years. Nothing new although your analysis is correct: they do not say 'no'. They'd be stupid to do so.

Maybe when 645D cams will be Full frame (uncropped 645 format).

04-27-2011, 08:38 PM	#1
yxy728 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 8	full frame DSLR camera, when? when does pentax release his full frame DSLR camera? or does pentax only focus on 645, and drop full frame?

04-28-2011, 01:17 AM	#13
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Not in our lifetime ! Pentax, will make more lenses and probably other accessories for the 645 system. No FF as they are set on the APS-C sensor size. If you want FF you need to go to another system, Pentax is not going there. If you want to see about the possibility of FF go http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2011/04/interview-with-hoyas-pentax-top.html wll Last edited by wll; 04-28-2011 at 01:22 AM.

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SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,481	Can't drop what you don't hold. Done and dead subject :-)

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Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	If you want a FF camera, there are plenty available now. 5D, 1DMkIII, D700, D3, a850... Don't wait for Pentax to come out with theirs. They hold a much slimmer portion of market share and APS-C seems to be doing a good job for them at present. There are enough threads here talking about how the K-5 compares favourably with the 5D.

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Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by Ash If you want a FF camera, there are plenty available now. 5D, 1DMkIII, D700, D3, a850... Don't wait for Pentax to come out with theirs. They hold a much slimmer portion of market share and APS-C seems to be doing a good job for them at present. There are enough threads here talking about how the K-5 compares favourably with the 5D. This, and there's that recent interview in which it was said they're concentrating more on the 645D to be the professional Pentax camera rather than introduce a FF camera.

04-27-2011, 10:07 PM	#5
pmastello Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 52	Originally posted by yxy728 when does pentax release *his* full frame DSLR camera? Pentax is a man? I always thought of it as a lady

04-27-2011, 10:11 PM	#6
Qiki Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 57	Originally posted by Vylen This, and there's that recent interview in which it was said they're concentrating more on the 645D to be the professional Pentax camera rather than introduce a FF camera. Is this a quote from Pentax themselves? If they qualified this by stating it is Pentax's professional landscape or portraiture camera then it would seem to be a credible statement. But in it's current form (1 FPS etc) could it ever be regarded as a professional 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D model?

04-27-2011, 10:22 PM	#7
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by yxy728 when does pentax release his full frame DSLR camera? or does pentax only focus on 645, and drop full frame? We will see FF when this forum goes an entire year without the question being asked. Is there an emoticon for terminal boredom?

04-27-2011, 10:25 PM	#8
yxy728 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 8 Original Poster	Originally posted by pmastello always thought of it as a lady Originally posted by SpecialK Done and i think pentax is a man, and takumar is lady. haha.

04-27-2011, 10:39 PM	#9
yxy728 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 8 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ash If you want a FF camera, there are plenty available now. 5D, 1DMkIII, D700, D3, a850... Don't wait for Pentax to come out with theirs. They hold a much slimmer portion of market share and APS-C seems to be doing a good job for them at present. There are enough threads here talking about how the K-5 compares favourably with the 5D. my grandpa had a Asahi Pentax SP II, but its shutter is not accurate. my father use pentax z1. now i use k7. however, my old takumar is hardly to show their talent on k7, because k7 is APS-C and it "cuts" my fish-eye lens. i know i can get a Canon or Nikon's, but i have no plan to change my style.

04-27-2011, 10:51 PM	#10
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Qiki Is this a quote from Pentax themselves? If they qualified this by stating it is Pentax's professional landscape or portraiture camera then it would seem to be a credible statement. But in it's current form (1 FPS etc) could it ever be regarded as a professional 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D model? It doesn't have to be an 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D to be professional. Pentax never competed on that market, but had some nice MF cameras. Pentax doesn't have the resources to compete directly with the D3/1D anyway... trying to launch such a camera would certainly kill them. The 645D, otoh, is another story.

04-27-2011, 11:23 PM	#11
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by Qiki Is this a quote from Pentax themselves? If they qualified this by stating it is Pentax's professional landscape or portraiture camera then it would seem to be a credible statement. But in it's current form (1 FPS etc) could it ever be regarded as a professional 'all rounder' like a D3 or 1D model? From here. Take it as you will.

04-27-2011, 11:29 PM	#12
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	I'd love to see it happen because I have no interest in switching to Canon or Nikon to get my FF. I've got some money burning a hole in my pocket right now. It's not enough to buy a 645D, but it's enough to buy a new body. I miss my exaggerated perspective, so I can either spend the money on a body that will give it to me, or a new lens that will compensate for the shortcomings of an APS-C sensor. Pentax makes a 12-24mm, but that's the equivalent of an 18-36mm, it's just not wide enough for what I need, so my dollars would have to go to Sigma for their 8-16mm. I can do that, but I'd much rather support Pentax if only they'd offer what I need. I think there are quite a few pros out there who would be willing to spend a couple thousand on a professional Pentax body, but 15 grand for the 645D and one lens is a bit prohibitive. There's money to be made with a happy medium (and yes, I realize that's the slogan of the 645) I'm just an enthusiast and I'd buy one, so how many more folks are there like me out there? There's a perception out there that "professionals only shoot Nikon or Canon", and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Someone who has never bought an entry level DSLR before probably hasn't heard of Pentax, so in that person's mind there are two paths to take, Canon or Nikon. So they pick one of the two, and when it;s time to move into a more advanced camera, they stick with the brand they've been using, partly for lens compatibility, and partly for brand loyalty. Until pros and semi-pros start to see Pentax as a serious alternative to the big two, the company is going to have to be content with the table scraps that land on the floor. Goofy-colored cameras don't help the image, but money is money, so I've made my peace with that. Now I'm not knockin' the 645D, it's doing wonders to promote the professional image of the company, but the price is a bit prohibitive even for some professional shooters.

04-28-2011, 02:24 AM	#14
Qiki Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 57	Originally posted by wll Pentax, will make more lenses and probably other accessories for the 645 system. No FF as they are set on the APS-C sensor size. If you want FF you need to go to another system, Pentax is not going there. If you want to see about the possibility of FF go RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: Interview with Hoya's Pentax Top Officials at China P&E wll Taken directly from the article quoted: However, Pentax is not eliminating any possibility for making one whenever market need is there. In other words, Pentax is content to sit back and see how far competitors manage to grow the FF market before they enter the market themselves. This may prove to be a smart gambit (if FF flops). However, if they do decide to enter the market late they are going to be playing big-time catch up. Not so much because of the development time for a FF body, but because they no longer produce a range of FF compatible lenses.

04-28-2011, 03:17 AM	#15
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	But that's what they say each time for years. Nothing new although your analysis is correct: they do not say 'no'. They'd be stupid to do so. Maybe when 645D cams will be Full frame (uncropped 645 format).