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89Y49Si · 07-16-2015, 11:50 AM

Hm, looks like I should start saving for either of those two lenses. I know the 55-300 is way cheaper, and should give me some good results. But I like the fact that the 50-135 has a constant f/2.8 aperture.

Decisions, decisions.

But for now, I'll get some good practice in with manual focus. I have a feeling, though, that I'll be at or close to infinity the whole time.

wibbly · 07-16-2015, 12:10 PM

That's quite likely.

Also. For shooting good panning shots you don't really need a large aperture. The one I posted was I think f16 just because I used such a slow shutter. At 1/125 or 1/250 you'll still be in the f11-f8 range.

Again, dof doesn't matter much for this style of shot. If you wanted, you could slow the shutter a bit with a cpl or light nd.

A cpl may be beneficial for shooting cars anyway, i don't think it adds much for bikes, there is very little glare with them

However if you want a general use lens to double for track duty I can't recommend the 50-135 enough.

89Y49Si · 07-17-2015, 04:51 AM

So, after seeing your picture wibbly and a bunch of others. I bit the bullet and rented the 50-135 and 1.4tc from LensRentals yesterday. It should be here today so I'm pretty excited. I'll definitely still be using the A70-210 as I absolutely love that lens. But the 50-135 will get it's use for sure.

wibbly · 07-17-2015, 07:26 AM

Awesome! Be sure to share your results with us.

89Y49Si · 07-17-2015, 07:52 AM

Of course! Will post my favorite ones from the A70-210 in the thread. And I'll probably make an album for the rest of them. Thanks for all the help!

89Y49Si · 07-18-2015, 08:15 PM

Just got back home from the event. Here are five of my favorite. I had ten keepers out of probably 40-50. So, I'd say not a bad start. Cars were probably ranging from 40-60 mph at this part of the track. All were taken in TAv mode.

And again, thanks everyone for the help! It was actually easier than I thought. I was at or just away from infinity the whole time.

1/100, f/16, ISO640

1/80, f/16, ISO200

1/80, f/16, ISO250

1/100, f/16, ISO640

And I saved my favorite for last. 1/100, f/16, ISO640

And the whole album can be found here.

wibbly · 07-18-2015, 09:15 PM

Nice work. Curious as to the iso640 choice

**From1980** · 07-19-2015, 01:46 AM

Great results, looks like you`re a natural at pan shots. Maybe zooming next time or a combo.
Which focus technique did you use?

89Y49Si · 07-19-2015, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by wibbly

Nice work. Curious as to the iso640 choice

Why thank ya! Not sure about the ISO640. I had it in Auto ISO.

Originally posted by From1980

Great results, looks like you`re a natural at pan shots. Maybe zooming next time or a combo.
Which focus technique did you use?

Thanks! I believe I was all the way zoomed in on those. But, because I was using a MF lens, it doesn't say in the EXIF, it only tells me what focal length in put in the camera. I tried basically all of the ones mentioned, but I got the most by keeping the camera in AF and using catch-in-focus. It was a little tough at first, but I got the hang of it.

osv · 07-19-2015, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by wibbly

Nice work. Curious as to the iso640 choice

he was shooting at f/16... block off the light like that, and you gotta raise iso to bring the brightness back up.

f/16 is well into diffraction territory on crop, it lowered the resolution of everything that was shot, and cleaning up iso noise lowered the rez even further.

89Y49Si · 07-19-2015, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by osv

he was shooting at f/16... block off the light like that, and you gotta raise iso to bring the brightness back up.

f/16 is well into diffraction territory on crop, it lowered the resolution of everything that was shot, and cleaning up iso noise lowered the rez even further.

I did try a few at the lower f/stops, I believe around f/8-f/11, but with such slow shutter speeds they were way overexposed at ISO100. So then I tried a quicker shutter speed, but it didn't get the background blur that I wanted. So I stopped down the lens.

I realize that they aren't perfect, but for my first time at panning high speed shots, I'm pretty happy with them for the most part.

osv · 07-19-2015, 11:23 AM

i like that crx shot the best, it's a winner.

you may have to use an nd filter to get the settings combo you need.

wibbly · 07-19-2015, 11:53 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by osv

he was shooting at f/16... block off the light like that, and you gotta raise iso to bring the brightness back up.

f/16 is well into diffraction territory on crop, it lowered the resolution of everything that was shot, and cleaning up iso noise lowered the rez even further.

My point was that he could have been at f8-f11 without needing to push the iso. F16 isn't really a requirement for this sort of shot.

osv · 07-19-2015, 12:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by wibbly

My point was that he could have been at f8-f11 without needing to push the iso. F16 isn't really a requirement for this sort of shot.

i got that, and i thought that you stated it well.

my point went a little further, basically saying that a crop camera shouldn't ever be shot at f/16, unless there is no other choice... i refuse to use f/16 even on ff.

89Y49Si · 07-19-2015, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by osv

i like that crx shot the best, it's a winner.

you may have to use an nd filter to get the settings combo you need.

Thanks!

You know, I never even thought of using an ND filter. I'll have to pick one up for next time. Any brands you recommend over another?

07-19-2015, 01:12 PM	#30
89Y49Si Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 98 Original Poster	Originally posted by osv i like that crx shot the best, it's a winner. you may have to use an nd filter to get the settings combo you need. Thanks! You know, I never even thought of using an ND filter. I'll have to pick one up for next time. Any brands you recommend over another? Last edited by 89Y49Si; 07-19-2015 at 01:21 PM.

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07-16-2015, 11:50 AM	#16
89Y49Si Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 98 Original Poster	Hm, looks like I should start saving for either of those two lenses. I know the 55-300 is way cheaper, and should give me some good results. But I like the fact that the 50-135 has a constant f/2.8 aperture. Decisions, decisions. But for now, I'll get some good practice in with manual focus. I have a feeling, though, that I'll be at or close to infinity the whole time.

07-16-2015, 12:10 PM	#17
wibbly Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Edmonton Posts: 600	That's quite likely. Also. For shooting good panning shots you don't really need a large aperture. The one I posted was I think f16 just because I used such a slow shutter. At 1/125 or 1/250 you'll still be in the f11-f8 range. Again, dof doesn't matter much for this style of shot. If you wanted, you could slow the shutter a bit with a cpl or light nd. A cpl may be beneficial for shooting cars anyway, i don't think it adds much for bikes, there is very little glare with them However if you want a general use lens to double for track duty I can't recommend the 50-135 enough.

07-17-2015, 04:51 AM	#18
89Y49Si Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 98 Original Poster	So, after seeing your picture wibbly and a bunch of others. I bit the bullet and rented the 50-135 and 1.4tc from LensRentals yesterday. It should be here today so I'm pretty excited. I'll definitely still be using the A70-210 as I absolutely love that lens. But the 50-135 will get it's use for sure.

07-17-2015, 07:26 AM	#19
wibbly Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Edmonton Posts: 600	Awesome! Be sure to share your results with us.

07-17-2015, 07:52 AM	#20
89Y49Si Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 98 Original Poster	Of course! Will post my favorite ones from the A70-210 in the thread. And I'll probably make an album for the rest of them. Thanks for all the help!

07-18-2015, 08:15 PM	#21
89Y49Si Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 98 Original Poster	Just got back home from the event. Here are five of my favorite. I had ten keepers out of probably 40-50. So, I'd say not a bad start. Cars were probably ranging from 40-60 mph at this part of the track. All were taken in TAv mode. And again, thanks everyone for the help! It was actually easier than I thought. I was at or just away from infinity the whole time. 1/100, f/16, ISO640 1/80, f/16, ISO200 1/80, f/16, ISO250 1/100, f/16, ISO640 And I saved my favorite for last. 1/100, f/16, ISO640 And the whole album can be found here.

07-18-2015, 09:15 PM	#22
wibbly Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Edmonton Posts: 600	Nice work. Curious as to the iso640 choice

07-19-2015, 01:46 AM	#23
From1980 Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Essex, Ontario Posts: 682	Great results, looks like you`re a natural at pan shots. Maybe zooming next time or a combo. Which focus technique did you use?

07-19-2015, 08:50 AM	#24
89Y49Si Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 98 Original Poster	Originally posted by wibbly Nice work. Curious as to the iso640 choice Why thank ya! Not sure about the ISO640. I had it in Auto ISO. Originally posted by From1980 Great results, looks like you`re a natural at pan shots. Maybe zooming next time or a combo. Which focus technique did you use? Thanks! I believe I was all the way zoomed in on those. But, because I was using a MF lens, it doesn't say in the EXIF, it only tells me what focal length in put in the camera. I tried basically all of the ones mentioned, but I got the most by keeping the camera in AF and using catch-in-focus. It was a little tough at first, but I got the hang of it.

07-19-2015, 10:56 AM	#25
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by wibbly Nice work. Curious as to the iso640 choice he was shooting at f/16... block off the light like that, and you gotta raise iso to bring the brightness back up. f/16 is well into diffraction territory on crop, it lowered the resolution of everything that was shot, and cleaning up iso noise lowered the rez even further.

07-19-2015, 11:09 AM	#26
89Y49Si Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Taylor, MI Posts: 98 Original Poster	Originally posted by osv he was shooting at f/16... block off the light like that, and you gotta raise iso to bring the brightness back up. f/16 is well into diffraction territory on crop, it lowered the resolution of everything that was shot, and cleaning up iso noise lowered the rez even further. I did try a few at the lower f/stops, I believe around f/8-f/11, but with such slow shutter speeds they were way overexposed at ISO100. So then I tried a quicker shutter speed, but it didn't get the background blur that I wanted. So I stopped down the lens. I realize that they aren't perfect, but for my first time at panning high speed shots, I'm pretty happy with them for the most part.

07-19-2015, 11:23 AM	#27
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	i like that crx shot the best, it's a winner. you may have to use an nd filter to get the settings combo you need.

07-19-2015, 11:53 AM - 1 Like	#28
wibbly Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Edmonton Posts: 600	Originally posted by osv he was shooting at f/16... block off the light like that, and you gotta raise iso to bring the brightness back up. f/16 is well into diffraction territory on crop, it lowered the resolution of everything that was shot, and cleaning up iso noise lowered the rez even further. My point was that he could have been at f8-f11 without needing to push the iso. F16 isn't really a requirement for this sort of shot.

07-19-2015, 12:55 PM - 1 Like	#29
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by wibbly My point was that he could have been at f8-f11 without needing to push the iso. F16 isn't really a requirement for this sort of shot. i got that, and i thought that you stated it well. my point went a little further, basically saying that a crop camera shouldn't ever be shot at f/16, unless there is no other choice... i refuse to use f/16 even on ff.

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