Panos Gone Wild?

**boriscleto** · 11-28-2015, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by wkraus

My software (Hugin) begs to differ. That's what it tells my about the project I'm just stitching (but I have to admit that this is exceptional):

Get some real stitching software...

**Quartermaster James** · 11-28-2015, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Get some real stitching software...

Recommendations?

**boriscleto** · 11-28-2015, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Quartermaster James

Recommendations?

Photo stitching software 360 degree Panorama image software - PTGui Stitching Software

Kolor | Autopano - panorama software

**Quartermaster James** · 11-28-2015, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Photo stitching software 360 degree Panorama image software - PTGui Stitching Software

Kolor | Autopano - panorama software

Thanks!

wkraus · 11-28-2015, 02:49 PM - **1 Like**

The pano came out fine:

Early morning view over the Todgha valley, Tinghir, Morocco. 14 vertical shots handheld, K-5 II with SMC-A 2.8/100mm Macro.

Originally posted by boriscleto

Photo stitching software 360 degree Panorama image software - PTGui Stitching Software

Kolor | Autopano - panorama software

Just as PTGui, Hugin is based on Panorama Tools. Did you try it? I think it's pretty powerful.

**boriscleto** · 11-28-2015, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by wkraus

Just as PTGui, Hugin is based on Panorama Tools. Did you try it? I think it's pretty powerful.

Yes, I have tried Hugin many times. It never works as well as PTGui. I'm sure if you want to spend a lot of time fiddling with controls you can make it work, but when I stitch I want it to just work.

wkraus · 11-28-2015, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Yes, I have tried Hugin many times. It never works as well as PTGui. I'm sure if you want to spend a lot of time fiddling with controls you can make it work, but when I stitch I want it to just work.

Thanks for the info, I'll try PTGui!

**baro-nite** · 11-29-2015, 06:02 AM

Tangential thought about a multi-row pano rig: I put mine together (2 panning clamps, a right angle clamp/rail, a sliding clamp, another rail, a nodal slide) because I also wanted a gimbal-type rig for super-tele work. I've even cobbled together a rough equatorial mount for astro work from the same components. And I've used some of it for macro focus stacking. So the stuff can be otherwise useful.

**WPRESTO** · 11-29-2015, 06:13 AM

Except for one or two on a tripod, all of my panos have been hand-held, all have been a single sweep, and all have been horizontal format of the camera. There is dark cut-off of the all corners (=no image there at all) but this can be substantially or entirely corrected by stretching/warping the ends of the image, which brings out more detail and still looks normal if not overdone. Patches of sky can be cloned to fill in upper corners, and sometimes central low regions can be cloned to fill in the low corners (depends on what is there - grass & plants are easy, pavement & buildings are difficult or impossible.). Before investing in a Ninja, I would advise first, try it hand held, and second, IF you use Arca-type clamps, get a rotating clamp. Worry about the lens nodal point last. I use the free "Image Composite Editor" and find it 100% satisfactory. I've never detected an error in the stitching.

CreationBear · 11-29-2015, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by WPRESTO

Worry about the lens nodal point last.

Thanks to all for sharing your expertise--I think I have things in better perspective (as it were

). As with many endeavors, a lot of time and money gets thrown at wringing out that last 10% of performance...for my purposes, just pointing the camera at something interesting is enough of a challenge for now.

osv · 11-30-2015, 10:06 PM

fa35/a7r, probably 10 vertical shots stitched in photoshop, the final tiff was over a gig... a staggering amount of detail... shot off of a monopod, using a bracket that was close to rotating on the nodal point.

i always do vertical stitches, because the sides of a lens is weaker than the top/bottom, so the stitch works better using sharper parts of the image to make the match with.

hand-held works well, using the level indicator to reference the horizon line, and to reference the vertical axis... live view in a dslr lcd, should have a level indicator?

**Quartermaster James** · 11-30-2015, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by osv

i always do vertical stitches, because the sides of a lens is weaker than the top/bottom, so the stitch works better using sharper parts of the image to make the match with.

Wow! Never thought of that before. You just changed how I am going to go about this from now on!

11-29-2015, 06:28 AM	#25
CreationBear Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,415 Original Poster	Originally posted by WPRESTO Worry about the lens nodal point last. Thanks to all for sharing your expertise--I think I have things in better perspective (as it were). As with many endeavors, a lot of time and money gets thrown at wringing out that last 10% of performance...for my purposes, just pointing the camera at something interesting is enough of a challenge for now.

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11-28-2015, 12:33 PM	#16
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by wkraus My software (Hugin) begs to differ. That's what it tells my about the project I'm just stitching (but I have to admit that this is exceptional): Get some real stitching software...

11-28-2015, 12:46 PM	#17
Quartermaster James Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 653	Originally posted by boriscleto Get some real stitching software... Recommendations?

11-28-2015, 12:51 PM	#18
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Quartermaster James Recommendations? Photo stitching software 360 degree Panorama image software - PTGui Stitching Software Kolor \| Autopano - panorama software

11-28-2015, 12:56 PM	#19
Quartermaster James Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 653	Originally posted by boriscleto Photo stitching software 360 degree Panorama image software - PTGui Stitching Software Kolor \| Autopano - panorama software Thanks!

11-28-2015, 02:49 PM - 1 Like	#20
wkraus Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Near Vienna, Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,057	The pano came out fine: Early morning view over the Todgha valley, Tinghir, Morocco. 14 vertical shots handheld, K-5 II with SMC-A 2.8/100mm Macro. Originally posted by boriscleto Photo stitching software 360 degree Panorama image software - PTGui Stitching Software Kolor \| Autopano - panorama software Just as PTGui, Hugin is based on Panorama Tools. Did you try it? I think it's pretty powerful.

11-28-2015, 02:52 PM	#21
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by wkraus Just as PTGui, Hugin is based on Panorama Tools. Did you try it? I think it's pretty powerful. Yes, I have tried Hugin many times. It never works as well as PTGui. I'm sure if you want to spend a lot of time fiddling with controls you can make it work, but when I stitch I want it to just work.

11-28-2015, 03:21 PM	#22
wkraus Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Near Vienna, Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,057	Originally posted by boriscleto Yes, I have tried Hugin many times. It never works as well as PTGui. I'm sure if you want to spend a lot of time fiddling with controls you can make it work, but when I stitch I want it to just work. Thanks for the info, I'll try PTGui!

11-29-2015, 06:02 AM	#23
baro-nite Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Carolina, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,294	Tangential thought about a multi-row pano rig: I put mine together (2 panning clamps, a right angle clamp/rail, a sliding clamp, another rail, a nodal slide) because I also wanted a gimbal-type rig for super-tele work. I've even cobbled together a rough equatorial mount for astro work from the same components. And I've used some of it for macro focus stacking. So the stuff can be otherwise useful.

11-29-2015, 06:13 AM	#24
WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,103	Except for one or two on a tripod, all of my panos have been hand-held, all have been a single sweep, and all have been horizontal format of the camera. There is dark cut-off of the all corners (=no image there at all) but this can be substantially or entirely corrected by stretching/warping the ends of the image, which brings out more detail and still looks normal if not overdone. Patches of sky can be cloned to fill in upper corners, and sometimes central low regions can be cloned to fill in the low corners (depends on what is there - grass & plants are easy, pavement & buildings are difficult or impossible.). Before investing in a Ninja, I would advise first, try it hand held, and second, IF you use Arca-type clamps, get a rotating clamp. Worry about the lens nodal point last. I use the free "Image Composite Editor" and find it 100% satisfactory. I've never detected an error in the stitching.

11-30-2015, 10:06 PM	#26
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	fa35/a7r, probably 10 vertical shots stitched in photoshop, the final tiff was over a gig... a staggering amount of detail... shot off of a monopod, using a bracket that was close to rotating on the nodal point. i always do vertical stitches, because the sides of a lens is weaker than the top/bottom, so the stitch works better using sharper parts of the image to make the match with. hand-held works well, using the level indicator to reference the horizon line, and to reference the vertical axis... live view in a dslr lcd, should have a level indicator?

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11-30-2015, 10:20 PM	#27
Quartermaster James Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 653	Originally posted by osv i always do vertical stitches, because the sides of a lens is weaker than the top/bottom, so the stitch works better using sharper parts of the image to make the match with. Wow! Never thought of that before. You just changed how I am going to go about this from now on!