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07-03-2008, 05:30 PM   #16
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Plenty of us older than 50 here, including myself and I ain't old - am I? hehehe.
Ha it is a minefield when you start talking ages. WHen I say older I mean older then me, I am 30 next month

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Ansel Adams must have been a terrible photographer...
oh that is a good one. Damn why cant I think of comebacks like that

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Wow what an informative post. So my co-worker isnt alone. I take photographs primarily for my enjoyment, though I do admit I love it when others like what I do.

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Your co-worker is an idiot.
He is nice enough but he does have some odd ideas sometimes, I wasnt sure if this was one of them

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Wow... no photos of people for a while... I'm no longer a photographer... since October of 2007...

So this is a real photograph:


Yet this one is not??


So this must be a real photograph too, right??


IMHO, that statement in the OP's post is a dis-service to a lot of professionals out there.

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I assume he's just being stubborn and absolutist to emphasize a point. I'd be startled if he really believes what he's saying to be true in every possible case.

I'd say that a person isn't necessary, but that a point of interest usually is. And since a large portion of our brain is devoted to recognizing and dealing with other people, people make great points of interest.

I just saw some great pictures in the Pentax Photo Gallery voting area of glaciers and waterfalls in Iceland. The pictures are technically very good, but by themselves, eh, just some more waterfalls and chunks of ice. However, many of them have people in them, and those have a resonance for me which makes them into great photographs.

Likewise, when I go somewhere or see something that's probably photographed often, I usually try to include something unique in the image — almost certainly a person.
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Sorry your post gave me a bit of a laugh since the image you are saying "Yet this one is not??" Didnt load. Right now I must concur it doesnt look like a photograph to me

I must add that picture of the little girl is really really good. I dont know if you asked her to give that expression but it really shows a lot of personality

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maybe he takes pictures of his family. I know people like that... holiday photos with no pictures of what they saw, unless they are standing in front of it. I wait for ages to get a picture of places without people in it.
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Sorry your post gave me a bit of a laugh since the image you are saying "Yet this one is not??" Didnt load. Right now I must concur it doesnt look like a photograph to me

I must add that picture of the little girl is really really good. I dont know if you asked her to give that expression but it really shows a lot of personality
Nice.. the image link works? I pasted it into IE and it loads fine... yet the post shows a blank image outline... I normally use Firefox... Try right clicking on the blank image window and choose "Show Picture" (in IE anyways...). For some reason, just this image on SmugMug is messed up...

Here's the image link: http://www.marclangille.com/photos/297554879_jW6fR-L.jpg

Thanks for kind words about the little girl photo! BTW, that was at the end of the model session, so it's a spontaneous, "off camera" shot... no posing, and that's why I like it so much - it's in the PPG...

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Well I am in the upper half of my 50's and I think such a statement is wrong. I guess that the person who said it never saw any of Edward Westons Green Peppers or the Jackson images of Yellowstone. I guess he did not get out much in the 60's and 70's and by his account I am a terrible photographer. For years I avoided taking images of people - two of my best shots are of people, but they will not be displayed to the public. No, they are not those kind of pictures - one of my late father and one of my wife. Both taken with the same camera but 20 years apart.

Edit: I don't take "good pictures" if you look at the ones I have submitted to National Geographics "Your shot" either. None of them have people in them - they all have the effects of people, but no people.

Of the images I have in PPG, I guess only one counts as a picture in this guys mind. Too bad the 60's and 70's did not open his mind and an open mind is terrible thing to waste. All of you macro, flower, scientific, landscape, astronomy, architecture etc. photographers should just hang it up. On the other hand (so to speak) the porn photographers must be the best "picture" takers on the planet. ----- Go figure.

Edit: I don't take "good pictures" if you look at the ones I have submitted to National Geographics "Your shot" either. None of them have people in them - they all have the effects of people, but no people. One of them got selected for the "Daily Dozen" too. Whoda thunk it. MyShot - National Geographic Magazine


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I think the question is not what makes a photograph, but the fact that there are several types of people who appreciate photographs.

some people, myself included like just about anything, others, reflect the comment of the OP, they just like photos, but believe they should have people, AND the other subject (place, object or what ever) included as a complete memory. I am sure there are others that simply hate people photos also.

It is not a question of the quality of the photograph, but the taste of the viewer.
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maybe he takes pictures of his family. I know people like that... holiday photos with no pictures of what they saw, unless they are standing in front of it. I wait for ages to get a picture of places without people in it.
Which raises the question: how is that representative of what you saw?
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Not what you saw, but what you want to see.

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Which raises the question: how is that representative of what you saw?
Photography is more that just simple documentation - what you see. For instance, I went on a week long trip, back in the days when I had hair, through Teton and Yellowstone National parks with a good friend. Each of us had three SLR's and 20-40 rolls of slide film (K25, K64, E160 and E-IR 160). On the trip we stood next to each other and basically took the same shots - but mine had very few people in them while his were full of people. I was photographing the landscape - he was photographing the crowding of people in the landscape.

Two different representations of the same environment - both were valid representations of "what we saw". I saw the emptiness of geysers and he saw the crowds filling up the emptiness with sweaty bodies. We put a little slide show together for our friends, and most of them did not "get it" either. Each with a particular point of view - one size does not fit all.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Talisker Quote
Ansel Adams must have been a terrible photographer...
He's not the only one then


I may be wrong here, but I believe 99% or more of the people here photograph things other than people.

Brad,
My next time in your neck of the woods I should try taking my time to meet you, and your friend there for a coffee or something.

I might try talking you to drive into Christina Lake for it though.

I'd love to show him my portfolio, and see what he says about my landscape, and nature shots
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Plenty of us older than 50 here, including myself and I ain't old - am I? hehehe.

Ha it is a minefield when you start talking ages. WHen I say older I mean older then me, I am 30 next month
But I was refering to what you said "He is a bit older (mid late 50's) I just thought maybe this was oldschool thinking so I asked here."
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Your co-worker is an idiot.

He is nice enough but he does have some odd ideas sometimes, I wasnt sure if this was one of them
Not an idiot. Just has an opinion which is different than ours.
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Even if my pictures are allmost always about people ,I MUST disagree about your coworker's opinion. Has he ever seen a beautyfull landscape with his own eyes. If yes, then does he really belive he couldn't make a damn good picture of it? If so, then I'd very much like to "lalk" with him about this .
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QuoteOriginally posted by PDL Quote
Photography is more that just simple documentation - what you see.
Of course. I was, however, responding to what HGMonaro said.
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The simple answer is YES! I would expound on this but I am to old to stay awake any longer. I will go take a nap and get back to you. Just kidding!!

To each his own - how boring if we all took the same type and style of photograph. I am happy there are all sorts of photographs and subjects to view and admire or not to admire. I think your friend is just not very open minded not just old.

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