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pete_pf · 10-31-2008, 02:47 PM

the first image is with shape reduction off, the second is with shake reduction on, both taken on tripod, 2 second timer, and release cord. is it normal to have shake reduction set on and have a sharper image? everyone always tells me to turn it off like it's a plague with put on a tripod ..... my only guess is my tripod sucks and shakes just a tad, enough that shake reduction actually is a benefit

or am i just blind and they're both the same hehehe

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Damn Brit · 10-31-2008, 03:27 PM

Shake reduction automatically turns of when you use the 2 second timer.

Peter Zack · 10-31-2008, 03:38 PM

Gary is right so both shots are with SR off. My guess is the first shot is showing tripod vibration.

Damn Brit · 10-31-2008, 03:52 PM

Have you adjusted the tension on the legs, I had similar issues until I did that.

Frank Fletcher · 10-31-2008, 03:54 PM

IMO, if you are going to use a 2 second timer, it's better not to bother with the release cord. The reason for this is that a) if you hold on to the cord, you can introduce some movement. and b) if you put the cord down, you introduce movement (I can't do it fast enough for the vibration to reduce in the tripod).

On the other hand, an infra-red shutter release works well with the 2 second timer - better than depressing the button yourself.

Also - the two photos look to be very different from each other - not only in terms of blur. While both have a similar global contrast, the second one is darker across the frame. More importantly, it looks like the first one suffers from a lens-related blur. Most likely, it is shot wide open - which is less sharp than optimal.

pete_pf · 10-31-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Damn Brit

Shake reduction automatically turns of when you use the 2 second timer.

well dont i feel stupid now hahaha thanks for that :P

ok so then, wtf?!?! am i just someone who can't take sharp images or what?

i tried again and 3 images (shake reduction/no timer, shake reduction/2 second timer, 2 second timer) seem to look the same (i won't post all 3), but is it just me or is it still not sharp enough?

Damn Brit · 10-31-2008, 04:35 PM

What aperture were you using? If you have a shallow DOF, that might account for it.

pete_pf · 10-31-2008, 05:34 PM

8 .... heard that was the sharpest no?

Clicker · 10-31-2008, 10:32 PM

Did you lock your mirror up?

Damn Brit · 10-31-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by impete82

8 .... heard that was the sharpest no?

Yeah that should have been fine.
Have you checked the printing on the lens, maybe that's blurred.

stevebrot · 11-01-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Damn Brit

Yeah that should have been fine.
Have you checked the printing on the lens, maybe that's blurred.

Didn't you hear? I read it just yesterday on RH's blog that the lettering on Pentax lenses is 15% blurrier than that of the competition's. Just one more reason to not buy Pentax!

Steve

(Just one post short of becoming a Pentaxian...#999!)

Damn Brit · 11-01-2008, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Didn't you hear? I read it just yesterday on RH's blog that the lettering on Pentax lenses is 15% blurrier than that of the competition's. Just one more reason to not buy Pentax!

Steve

(Just one post short of becoming a Pentaxian...#999!)

That's good Steve.
Now you can reply and make it a thousand.

axl · 11-01-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Clicker

Did you lock your mirror up?

mirror locks up automaticly when using 2sec timer, and there isn't any other way to lock it up...

Originally posted by Damn Brit

Have you adjusted the tension on the legs, I had similar issues until I did that.

Can you explain to me what and how did you do to ease the shake?

Originally posted by stevebrot

Didn't you hear? I read it just yesterday on RH's blog that the lettering on Pentax lenses is 15% blurrier than that of the competition's. Just one more reason to not buy Pentax!

Steve

(Just one post short of becoming a Pentaxian...#999!)

Steve, you should've kept that one for no.1000
It's worth it...

vievetrick · 11-01-2008, 06:23 PM

i never use the 2 second timer and also never new about it shuting of SR god to know.

Damn Brit · 11-01-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by axl

Can you explain to me what and how did you do to ease the shake?

The centre column should turn. My two have stickers on them showing which way to increase the tension on the legs.

10-31-2008, 02:47 PM	#1
pete_pf Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 599	shaper with shake reduction on tripod? the first image is with shape reduction off, the second is with shake reduction on, both taken on tripod, 2 second timer, and release cord. is it normal to have shake reduction set on and have a sharper image? everyone always tells me to turn it off like it's a plague with put on a tripod ..... my only guess is my tripod sucks and shakes just a tad, enough that shake reduction actually is a benefit or am i just blind and they're both the same hehehe Attached Images

10-31-2008, 04:28 PM	#6
pete_pf Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 599 Original Poster	Originally posted by Damn Brit Shake reduction automatically turns of when you use the 2 second timer. well dont i feel stupid now hahaha thanks for that :P ok so then, wtf?!?! am i just someone who can't take sharp images or what? i tried again and 3 images (shake reduction/no timer, shake reduction/2 second timer, 2 second timer) seem to look the same (i won't post all 3), but is it just me or is it still not sharp enough? Attached Images

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10-31-2008, 03:27 PM	#2
Damn Brit Guest	Shake reduction automatically turns of when you use the 2 second timer.

10-31-2008, 03:38 PM	#3
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Gary is right so both shots are with SR off. My guess is the first shot is showing tripod vibration.

10-31-2008, 03:52 PM	#4
Damn Brit Guest	Have you adjusted the tension on the legs, I had similar issues until I did that.

10-31-2008, 03:54 PM	#5
Frank Fletcher Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Albums Posts: 257	IMO, if you are going to use a 2 second timer, it's better not to bother with the release cord. The reason for this is that a) if you hold on to the cord, you can introduce some movement. and b) if you put the cord down, you introduce movement (I can't do it fast enough for the vibration to reduce in the tripod). On the other hand, an infra-red shutter release works well with the 2 second timer - better than depressing the button yourself. Also - the two photos look to be very different from each other - not only in terms of blur. While both have a similar global contrast, the second one is darker across the frame. More importantly, it looks like the first one suffers from a lens-related blur. Most likely, it is shot wide open - which is less sharp than optimal.

10-31-2008, 04:35 PM	#7
Damn Brit Guest	What aperture were you using? If you have a shallow DOF, that might account for it.

10-31-2008, 05:34 PM	#8
pete_pf Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 599 Original Poster	8 .... heard that was the sharpest no?

10-31-2008, 10:32 PM	#9
Clicker Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,241	Did you lock your mirror up?

10-31-2008, 10:57 PM	#10
Damn Brit Guest	Originally posted by impete82 8 .... heard that was the sharpest no? Yeah that should have been fine. Have you checked the printing on the lens, maybe that's blurred.

11-01-2008, 12:36 AM	#11
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Damn Brit Yeah that should have been fine. Have you checked the printing on the lens, maybe that's blurred. Didn't you hear? I read it just yesterday on RH's blog that the lettering on Pentax lenses is 15% blurrier than that of the competition's. Just one more reason to not buy Pentax! Steve (Just one post short of becoming a Pentaxian...#999!)

11-01-2008, 12:49 AM	#12
Damn Brit Guest	Originally posted by stevebrot Didn't you hear? I read it just yesterday on RH's blog that the lettering on Pentax lenses is 15% blurrier than that of the competition's. Just one more reason to not buy Pentax! Steve (Just one post short of becoming a Pentaxian...#999!) That's good Steve. Now you can reply and make it a thousand.

11-01-2008, 05:31 PM	#13
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Originally posted by Clicker Did you lock your mirror up? mirror locks up automaticly when using 2sec timer, and there isn't any other way to lock it up... Originally posted by Damn Brit Have you adjusted the tension on the legs, I had similar issues until I did that. Can you explain to me what and how did you do to ease the shake? Originally posted by stevebrot Didn't you hear? I read it just yesterday on RH's blog that the lettering on Pentax lenses is 15% blurrier than that of the competition's. Just one more reason to not buy Pentax! Steve (Just one post short of becoming a Pentaxian...#999!) Steve, you should've kept that one for no.1000 It's worth it...

11-01-2008, 06:23 PM	#14
vievetrick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Easthampton - Massachusetts - USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,183	i never use the 2 second timer and also never new about it shuting of SR god to know.

11-01-2008, 08:13 PM	#15
Damn Brit Guest	Originally posted by axl Can you explain to me what and how did you do to ease the shake? The centre column should turn. My two have stickers on them showing which way to increase the tension on the legs.

shaper with shake reduction on tripod?

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