Lenses and paintball

okitoki · 01-14-2009, 07:47 PM

As I have recently started taking photos at my local paintball fields, and have received some good feedback from the field owners;

So in future events/tournaments, I will be given a pass to go into the field to take close up shots from ground level rather than off a higher platforms...

The problem is, paintballs and lenses do not mix well...I dont think the glasses will stand a chance at a ball flyin at 300feet/sec

So, does anyone have any experience to how to protect their lenses in situation like this, and how to avoid it (eg, dont get shot!

)

Are there any form of lenses protections available? filter lens wont stand a chance...

What about DIY with perspexs? will it mess up the clarity of the shots?

thanks

magnum1 · 01-14-2009, 07:49 PM

Buy a cheap P&S and some paint thinner.

okitoki · 01-14-2009, 07:53 PM

haha... thats the cheap way out!

I like to make things more complicated than it needs to...

but really though.... I like to be able to take some good close up shots using my 300mm....

Vylen · 01-14-2009, 07:55 PM

try do the same thing professional film crews do in equipment-damaging situations... they have a piece of (what i presume to be) plexi glass effectively dangling in front of the lens with some sort of rod attachment... i think it should work in this situation? unless you're unlucky enough to get hit from the side....

MrEspie · 01-14-2009, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Vylen

try do the same thing professional film crews do in equipment-damaging situations... they have a piece of (what i presume to be) plexi glass effectively dangling in front of the lens with some sort of rod attachment... i think it should work in this situation? unless you're unlucky enough to get hit from the side....

That's why we have lens hoods.

Polycarbonate (Lexan, etc) sounds like a good idea, provided you take adequate measures to reduce glare off of it (ie clever tilting, etc) though this may be at the expense of contrast which adds a little pp time.

TaoMaas · 01-14-2009, 08:08 PM

Borrow a friend's camera to shoot with.

okitoki · 01-14-2009, 08:10 PM

But he has a NIKON.....

HGMonaro · 01-14-2009, 08:30 PM

underwater housing!

Do the combatants know you're going to be out there? Maybe if they get told not to shoot the 'tog (wear high vis' jacket) you might be safe!

Vylen · 01-14-2009, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by HGMonaro

underwater housing!

Do the combatants know you're going to be out there? Maybe if they get told not to shoot the 'tog (wear high vis' jacket) you might be safe!

heh... i'd shoot the photographer just for fun....

(nah... not really....... maybe)

MrEspie · 01-14-2009, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Vylen

heh... i'd shoot the photographer just for fun....

(nah... not really....... maybe)

Yeah, you really can't trust those 'ballers. Just for good measure, keep in mind not to wear a target.

AndrewG NY · 01-14-2009, 09:02 PM

Get them to agree to shoot you only below the belt.

Blue · 01-14-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Vylen

heh... i'd shoot the photographer just for fun....

(nah... not really....... maybe)

Right in the camera.

I think this may be a good time to use a lens filter.

Edit: All sides will be going for the photographer.

okitoki · 01-14-2009, 09:36 PM

haha...

Well, games in the bush will be easy to cover as I will wear a bright vest that would show me as a "Do not shoot" target.. plus I will bring my own marker to paint the guy back for shooting me

But for speedball game where its in an area the size of 2 tennis court, and the game is fast and furious with me taking photos from the side line, there will be time that shots may be "accidental"; and that is what Im trying to avoid for my lens....

Fireball · 01-14-2009, 09:41 PM

Doubling up on a UV filter should be sufficient protection from a direct impact, in addition to using a hood. From a reasonable distance the paintball may shatter a single filter (I have seen a shattered filter with the front element still intact and unharmed, so doubling up may give you 'extra insurance'). However, many tournaments do not allow photographers to film from anywhere aside from the side lines.

However, with the spray, I would suggest that you set aside several hours for cleaning your camera as any sort of ribbed rubber surface will just be an absolute hassle to clean. Weathersealing may also be good insurance against the paint seeping through any body cracks, since that stuff is oil and gelatin based and is not good for any plastics or electronics if you aren't able to clean it off within a reasonable amount of time.

Lastly - keep your mask on and have fun shooting (in a different way)!

Jasvox · 01-14-2009, 09:45 PM

I guess the question begs to he asked...why do you need to photograph this in the line of fire of actual combat? Cant you just make some snaps from the same angles without having the risk of getting shot or run the risk of having your lens ruined? From experience, I know that you MUST wear a full face mask to enter the playing area...how will you compose a decent shot with a mask on during actual combat?

Why not just stage a few shots of the actual on field playing and go from there?

Jason

01-14-2009, 07:47 PM	#1
okitoki Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 150	Lenses and paintball As I have recently started taking photos at my local paintball fields, and have received some good feedback from the field owners; So in future events/tournaments, I will be given a pass to go into the field to take close up shots from ground level rather than off a higher platforms... The problem is, paintballs and lenses do not mix well...I dont think the glasses will stand a chance at a ball flyin at 300feet/sec So, does anyone have any experience to how to protect their lenses in situation like this, and how to avoid it (eg, dont get shot!) Are there any form of lenses protections available? filter lens wont stand a chance... What about DIY with perspexs? will it mess up the clarity of the shots? thanks

01-14-2009, 09:45 PM	#15
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	why? I guess the question begs to he asked...why do you need to photograph this in the line of fire of actual combat? Cant you just make some snaps from the same angles without having the risk of getting shot or run the risk of having your lens ruined? From experience, I know that you MUST wear a full face mask to enter the playing area...how will you compose a decent shot with a mask on during actual combat? Why not just stage a few shots of the actual on field playing and go from there? Jason

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01-14-2009, 07:49 PM	#2
magnum1 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Niagara, Wisconsin U.S. of Ay. Posts: 394	Buy a cheap P&S and some paint thinner.

01-14-2009, 07:53 PM	#3
okitoki Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 150 Original Poster	haha... thats the cheap way out! I like to make things more complicated than it needs to... but really though.... I like to be able to take some good close up shots using my 300mm....

01-14-2009, 07:55 PM	#4
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	try do the same thing professional film crews do in equipment-damaging situations... they have a piece of (what i presume to be) plexi glass effectively dangling in front of the lens with some sort of rod attachment... i think it should work in this situation? unless you're unlucky enough to get hit from the side....

01-14-2009, 08:05 PM	#5
MrEspie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: University of Waterloo, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 239	Originally posted by Vylen try do the same thing professional film crews do in equipment-damaging situations... they have a piece of (what i presume to be) plexi glass effectively dangling in front of the lens with some sort of rod attachment... i think it should work in this situation? unless you're unlucky enough to get hit from the side.... That's why we have lens hoods. Polycarbonate (Lexan, etc) sounds like a good idea, provided you take adequate measures to reduce glare off of it (ie clever tilting, etc) though this may be at the expense of contrast which adds a little pp time.

01-14-2009, 08:08 PM	#6
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Borrow a friend's camera to shoot with.

01-14-2009, 08:10 PM	#7
okitoki Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 150 Original Poster	But he has a NIKON.....

01-14-2009, 08:30 PM	#8
HGMonaro Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Melb. Aust Posts: 840	underwater housing! Do the combatants know you're going to be out there? Maybe if they get told not to shoot the 'tog (wear high vis' jacket) you might be safe!

01-14-2009, 08:37 PM	#9
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Originally posted by HGMonaro underwater housing! Do the combatants know you're going to be out there? Maybe if they get told not to shoot the 'tog (wear high vis' jacket) you might be safe! heh... i'd shoot the photographer just for fun.... (nah... not really....... maybe)

01-14-2009, 08:46 PM	#10
MrEspie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: University of Waterloo, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 239	Originally posted by Vylen heh... i'd shoot the photographer just for fun.... (nah... not really....... maybe) Yeah, you really can't trust those 'ballers. Just for good measure, keep in mind not to wear a target.

01-14-2009, 09:02 PM	#11
AndrewG NY Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chappaqua, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 688	Get them to agree to shoot you only below the belt.

01-14-2009, 09:06 PM	#12
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Vylen heh... i'd shoot the photographer just for fun.... (nah... not really....... maybe) Right in the camera. I think this may be a good time to use a lens filter. Edit: All sides will be going for the photographer.

01-14-2009, 09:36 PM	#13
okitoki Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 150 Original Poster	haha... Well, games in the bush will be easy to cover as I will wear a bright vest that would show me as a "Do not shoot" target.. plus I will bring my own marker to paint the guy back for shooting me But for speedball game where its in an area the size of 2 tennis court, and the game is fast and furious with me taking photos from the side line, there will be time that shots may be "accidental"; and that is what Im trying to avoid for my lens....

01-14-2009, 09:41 PM	#14
Fireball Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 102	Doubling up on a UV filter should be sufficient protection from a direct impact, in addition to using a hood. From a reasonable distance the paintball may shatter a single filter (I have seen a shattered filter with the front element still intact and unharmed, so doubling up may give you 'extra insurance'). However, many tournaments do not allow photographers to film from anywhere aside from the side lines. However, with the spray, I would suggest that you set aside several hours for cleaning your camera as any sort of ribbed rubber surface will just be an absolute hassle to clean. Weathersealing may also be good insurance against the paint seeping through any body cracks, since that stuff is oil and gelatin based and is not good for any plastics or electronics if you aren't able to clean it off within a reasonable amount of time. Lastly - keep your mask on and have fun shooting (in a different way)!