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kurt · 01-29-2009, 06:20 AM

The Metz 58 flash has a small flash in body, which can be used separately to give a small straight flash together with bounce flash from swivel head. It is rather nice feature.

PentaxPoke · 01-29-2009, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Deni

IMO a better option is using the on board flash dialed down for fill flash and a slave-capable flash off board for bouncing.

Yes, that is what I was talking about in post #8.

PentaxPoke · 01-29-2009, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by kurt

The Metz 58 flash has a small flash in body, which can be used separately to give a small straight flash together with bounce flash from swivel head. It is rather nice feature.

That is an interesting feature, and looks like it would solve the portrait catchlight issue. I actually didn't consider the Metz before I bought the 540FGZ.

lodi781 · 01-29-2009, 08:50 AM

I really like the contrast in the second one..I think that one is the best..just MHO

audiobomber · 01-29-2009, 09:39 AM

The Sto-fen Omni-Bounce works well for on-camera flash.
STO-FEN Information (How It Works!)

PentaxPoke · 01-29-2009, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by audiobomber

The Sto-fen Omni-Bounce works well for on-camera flash.
STO-FEN Information (How It Works!)

Dan,
I have the omnibounce, but I don't like using it anymore. Especially if I can use the catchlight card with bounce. That way I am not losing any flash power if I am in a room with tall ceilings. It is almost sort of like a catchlight in 4 directions. I think I would like it better if I cut the top out, and left the sides in place. That way there is no dissipation of the bounce light.

**Canada_Rockies** · 01-29-2009, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Deni

IMO a better option is using the on board flash dialed down for fill flash and a slave-capable flash off board for bouncing.

That's great if you can set up that way, but if not, use the tilt and swivel capabilities of the 540 to advantage.

dugrant153 · 02-02-2009, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Canada_Rockies

That's great if you can set up that way, but if not, use the tilt and swivel capabilities of the 540 to advantage.

That's what I've done. It's so difficult to be moving around 2 strobes while taking a wedding. I prefer to be mobile.

I bounce my AF540FGZ like no tomorrow. With excellent results too, I might add.

Mechan1k · 02-04-2009, 02:22 AM

I found it a bit daunting at first using my Sigma flash ... but once you get used to bounce/swivel flash use with adjacent walls/corners in a room ... it really does make a hell of a difference. I enjoy using the flash now.

christinelandon · 02-05-2009, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by laissezfaire

My issue is... for portraits, I find the shadow under chin to be a bit annoying when bouncing off the ceiling. Any suggestions?

When using a single flash bounced off the ceiling for portraits, I use either the corner techniques several others have mentioned, or, if a corner isn't handy, I bring out a reflector or white cloth that I lay on the floor slightly in front of my subject to bounce a little soft light back up under the chin.

PentaxPoke · 02-05-2009, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by christinelandon

When using a single flash bounced off the ceiling for portraits, I use either the corner techniques several others have mentioned, or, if a corner isn't handy, I bring out a reflector or white cloth that I lay on the floor slightly in front of my subject to bounce a little soft light back up under the chin.

That is an interesting idea. So do you then bounce off the ceiling, which bounces to the floor where the white cloth is, and then up to the subject?

codiac2600 · 02-05-2009, 09:40 AM

Lots of great info here on flash photography! I've never personally used the corner technique but am now compelled to try it.

I do have a short write-up on my site about bounce photography if anyone is interested: Stuff your face! | I Need Photo Help!

MrApollinax · 02-05-2009, 09:51 AM

Thanks for the link Chris. BTW the link to the on-camera lighting course seems to be broken.

PentaxPoke · 02-05-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by codiac2600

Lots of great info here on flash photography! I've never personally used the corner technique but am now compelled to try it.

I do have a short write-up on my site about bounce photography if anyone is interested: Stuff your face! | I Need Photo Help!

Very nice article with photo examples Chris. I only have one small request: Would you mind changing the flash head picture from the one you have there, to this one?

That company doesn't need any more advertising.

Also, the article states that you are going to post a tutorial on manual flash. Have you completed that yet?

MrApollinax · 02-05-2009, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by MrApollinax

Thanks for the link Chris. BTW the link to the on-camera lighting course seems to be broken.

I figured it out. You link still points to your old website. The new link should read as:

http://ineedphotohelp.com/Files/OnCameraLighting.pdf

02-05-2009, 11:18 AM	#29
PentaxPoke Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,411 Original Poster	Originally posted by codiac2600 Lots of great info here on flash photography! I've never personally used the corner technique but am now compelled to try it. I do have a short write-up on my site about bounce photography if anyone is interested: Stuff your face! \| I Need Photo Help! Very nice article with photo examples Chris. I only have one small request: Would you mind changing the flash head picture from the one you have there, to this one? That company doesn't need any more advertising. Also, the article states that you are going to post a tutorial on manual flash. Have you completed that yet? Attached Images Last edited by PentaxPoke; 02-05-2009 at 11:26 AM.

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01-29-2009, 06:20 AM	#16
kurt Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hyvinkää, Suomi (Finland) Photos: Gallery Posts: 669	The Metz 58 flash has a small flash in body, which can be used separately to give a small straight flash together with bounce flash from swivel head. It is rather nice feature.

01-29-2009, 08:41 AM	#17
PentaxPoke Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,411 Original Poster	Originally posted by Deni IMO a better option is using the on board flash dialed down for fill flash and a slave-capable flash off board for bouncing. Yes, that is what I was talking about in post #8.

01-29-2009, 08:44 AM	#18
PentaxPoke Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,411 Original Poster	Originally posted by kurt The Metz 58 flash has a small flash in body, which can be used separately to give a small straight flash together with bounce flash from swivel head. It is rather nice feature. That is an interesting feature, and looks like it would solve the portrait catchlight issue. I actually didn't consider the Metz before I bought the 540FGZ.

01-29-2009, 08:50 AM	#19
lodi781 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: southern CT Posts: 219	I really like the contrast in the second one..I think that one is the best..just MHO

01-29-2009, 09:39 AM	#20
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	The Sto-fen Omni-Bounce works well for on-camera flash. STO-FEN Information (How It Works!)

01-29-2009, 10:10 AM	#21
PentaxPoke Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,411 Original Poster	Originally posted by audiobomber The Sto-fen Omni-Bounce works well for on-camera flash. STO-FEN Information (How It Works!) Dan, I have the omnibounce, but I don't like using it anymore. Especially if I can use the catchlight card with bounce. That way I am not losing any flash power if I am in a room with tall ceilings. It is almost sort of like a catchlight in 4 directions. I think I would like it better if I cut the top out, and left the sides in place. That way there is no dissipation of the bounce light.

01-29-2009, 12:12 PM	#22
Canada_Rockies Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sparwood, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,385	Originally posted by Deni IMO a better option is using the on board flash dialed down for fill flash and a slave-capable flash off board for bouncing. That's great if you can set up that way, but if not, use the tilt and swivel capabilities of the 540 to advantage.

02-02-2009, 05:17 PM	#23
dugrant153 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,059	Originally posted by Canada_Rockies That's great if you can set up that way, but if not, use the tilt and swivel capabilities of the 540 to advantage. That's what I've done. It's so difficult to be moving around 2 strobes while taking a wedding. I prefer to be mobile. I bounce my AF540FGZ like no tomorrow. With excellent results too, I might add.

02-04-2009, 02:22 AM	#24
Mechan1k Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,891	I found it a bit daunting at first using my Sigma flash ... but once you get used to bounce/swivel flash use with adjacent walls/corners in a room ... it really does make a hell of a difference. I enjoy using the flash now.

02-05-2009, 01:31 AM	#25
christinelandon Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 812	Originally posted by laissezfaire My issue is... for portraits, I find the shadow under chin to be a bit annoying when bouncing off the ceiling. Any suggestions? When using a single flash bounced off the ceiling for portraits, I use either the corner techniques several others have mentioned, or, if a corner isn't handy, I bring out a reflector or white cloth that I lay on the floor slightly in front of my subject to bounce a little soft light back up under the chin.

02-05-2009, 01:58 AM	#26
PentaxPoke Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,411 Original Poster	Originally posted by christinelandon When using a single flash bounced off the ceiling for portraits, I use either the corner techniques several others have mentioned, or, if a corner isn't handy, I bring out a reflector or white cloth that I lay on the floor slightly in front of my subject to bounce a little soft light back up under the chin. That is an interesting idea. So do you then bounce off the ceiling, which bounces to the floor where the white cloth is, and then up to the subject?

02-05-2009, 09:40 AM	#27
codiac2600 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 2,027	Lots of great info here on flash photography! I've never personally used the corner technique but am now compelled to try it. I do have a short write-up on my site about bounce photography if anyone is interested: Stuff your face! \| I Need Photo Help!

02-05-2009, 09:51 AM	#28
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Thanks for the link Chris. BTW the link to the on-camera lighting course seems to be broken.

02-05-2009, 11:34 AM	#30
MrApollinax Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,529	Originally posted by MrApollinax Thanks for the link Chris. BTW the link to the on-camera lighting course seems to be broken. I figured it out. You link still points to your old website. The new link should read as: http://ineedphotohelp.com/Files/OnCameraLighting.pdf

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