Is the grass always greener?

rfortson · 02-19-2009, 03:36 PM

Canon 5D2: so long - a fashion shooter

Substitute "Pentax K20D" for "Canon 5d2" and this post would fit right in here.

Wheatfield · 02-19-2009, 03:46 PM

Actually, our grass is greener. When we threaten to switch, it's to either Canon or Nikon. He only has one choice....

kenyee · 02-19-2009, 04:06 PM

well...it depends on the angle of the sun on the other side of the fence. And it also depends on how many cows and horses are in the area. But mostly, it's just different...

Vylen · 02-19-2009, 04:10 PM

also depends on the type of grass.... ive always liked buffalo grass - nice to sit on and a nice green

redpigeons · 02-19-2009, 04:20 PM

I said it before I am getting better looking results form my K20d then from my office's 5D2.
to be honest I am using the 31mm which is maybe the best lens ever and on the 5D2 we have the 24-105 which is an OK zoom. but still on higher ISO the 5D2 is softer in my taste. its also way bigger and heavier.
I like my K20D better. and I would love a Pentax FF much much better

the only thing the blown my mind was the HD video. that is just fantastic and I wish I had the 5D2 just for that

rfortson · 02-19-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

Actually, our grass is greener. When we threaten to switch, it's to either Canon or Nikon. He only has one choice....

That's one of the best quotes I've ever read here.

jak442 · 02-19-2009, 11:19 PM

That has got to be the whiniest thing I've ever read. All I could think the whole time is "why is a pro photog bitching about AF?" for real... I'm a total amateur and can still manage to focus a camera. What a douche-bag.

It doesn't matter what you do, carpenter, motocross racer, axe murderer... if you're blaming your equipment you've already lost.

Wheatfield · 02-19-2009, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by jak442

That has got to be the whiniest thing I've ever read. All I could think the whole time is "why is a pro photog bitching about AF?" for real... I'm a total amateur and can still manage to focus a camera. What a douche-bag.

It doesn't matter what you do, carpenter, motocross racer, axe murderer... if you're blaming your equipment you've already lost.

I'm a general contractor. I have, someplace, a cheap piece of crap B&D circular saw that would beg to differ with you.
I can build a house, but this saw will not make a straight cut for me, or anyone else. I keep it around for those times when people say this kind of stuff to me.
The guy is still a douchebag, but sometimes the equipment does get in the way.

pingflood · 02-20-2009, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by jak442

That has got to be the whiniest thing I've ever read. All I could think the whole time is "why is a pro photog bitching about AF?" for real... I'm a total amateur and can still manage to focus a camera. What a douche-bag.

It doesn't matter what you do, carpenter, motocross racer, axe murderer... if you're blaming your equipment you've already lost.

He's a douche-bag because he expects and autofocusing camera to actually autofocus properly?

Sure, you can shoot all-manual, but when you're using the camera as a tool to do a job you expect it to perform its functions as advertised.

dylansalt · 02-20-2009, 12:26 AM

Very uninspiring horse photo's to say the least and am sure would be "meat & potatoes" for a 20d in capable hands

d

jak442 · 02-20-2009, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

I'm a general contractor. I have, someplace, a cheap piece of crap B&D circular saw that would beg to differ with you.
I can build a house, but this saw will not make a straight cut for me, or anyone else. I keep it around for those times when people say this kind of stuff to me.
The guy is still a douchebag, but sometimes the equipment does get in the way.

Haha... I've been a GC for 10 years.... well a bit longer of you count all the time I tried to fight it.
I hear your point, BUT I'd be willing to bet that you've never blamed that saw for poor workmanship. And I'd also bet that, as a professional, you simply replaced it with a suitable tool and didn't whine about it. And, finaly, I'd bet that if there was a gaint dial on the side of that saw, that controlled the direction it cut, you could probably manage a decent cut....... and still not whine about it.

The time I've dedicated and the ethic I have towards my trade leave me with zero patience for people who don't just shut up and do thier job(especialy electricians) and the fundemental skill of the "professional" is being able to do your job when your job is hard.

6 beers.

jak442 · 02-20-2009, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by pingflood

He's a douche-bag because he expects and autofocusing camera to actually auto focus properly?

Sure, you can shoot all-manual, but when you're using the camera as a tool to do a job you expect it to perform its functions as advertised.

Naah... he's a douche-bag because he's a douche-bag. To me... a pro photog "relying" on AF is like a pro bull-rider relying on luck.

pingflood · 02-20-2009, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by jak442

Naah... he's a douche-bag because he's a douche-bag. To me... a pro photog "relying" on AF is like a pro bull-rider relying on luck.

Next you know they'll rely on horrible things like auto exposure.

Good luck shooting soccer games with manual focus and see what the keeper ratio is vs a well functioning AF system.

It's not some macho contest about who can do the most with the least, it's about getting a job done. Wouldn't you rather use a tool that is suited for it?

ghost · 02-20-2009, 05:34 AM

I wonder how they managed sports photography with manual focus lenses! I bet they got no keepers!

Put up or shut up. If you can't get a good shot than either you suck, or there is some equipment failure. Most likely option A.

Just sayin'

denisv · 02-20-2009, 05:53 AM

They had better viewfinders.

02-19-2009, 03:36 PM	#1
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02-19-2009, 03:46 PM	#2
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Actually, our grass is greener. When we threaten to switch, it's to either Canon or Nikon. He only has one choice....

02-19-2009, 04:06 PM	#3
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	well...it depends on the angle of the sun on the other side of the fence. And it also depends on how many cows and horses are in the area. But mostly, it's just different...

02-19-2009, 04:10 PM	#4
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	also depends on the type of grass.... ive always liked buffalo grass - nice to sit on and a nice green

02-19-2009, 04:20 PM	#5
redpigeons Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 943	I said it before I am getting better looking results form my K20d then from my office's 5D2. to be honest I am using the 31mm which is maybe the best lens ever and on the 5D2 we have the 24-105 which is an OK zoom. but still on higher ISO the 5D2 is softer in my taste. its also way bigger and heavier. I like my K20D better. and I would love a Pentax FF much much better the only thing the blown my mind was the HD video. that is just fantastic and I wish I had the 5D2 just for that

02-19-2009, 09:36 PM	#6
rfortson Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Houston TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,129 Original Poster	Originally posted by Wheatfield Actually, our grass is greener. When we threaten to switch, it's to either Canon or Nikon. He only has one choice.... That's one of the best quotes I've ever read here.

02-19-2009, 11:19 PM	#7
jak442 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 54	That has got to be the whiniest thing I've ever read. All I could think the whole time is "why is a pro photog bitching about AF?" for real... I'm a total amateur and can still manage to focus a camera. What a douche-bag. It doesn't matter what you do, carpenter, motocross racer, axe murderer... if you're blaming your equipment you've already lost.

02-19-2009, 11:42 PM	#8
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,975	Originally posted by jak442 That has got to be the whiniest thing I've ever read. All I could think the whole time is "why is a pro photog bitching about AF?" for real... I'm a total amateur and can still manage to focus a camera. What a douche-bag. It doesn't matter what you do, carpenter, motocross racer, axe murderer... if you're blaming your equipment you've already lost. I'm a general contractor. I have, someplace, a cheap piece of crap B&D circular saw that would beg to differ with you. I can build a house, but this saw will not make a straight cut for me, or anyone else. I keep it around for those times when people say this kind of stuff to me. The guy is still a douchebag, but sometimes the equipment does get in the way.

02-20-2009, 12:16 AM	#9
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Originally posted by jak442 That has got to be the whiniest thing I've ever read. All I could think the whole time is "why is a pro photog bitching about AF?" for real... I'm a total amateur and can still manage to focus a camera. What a douche-bag. It doesn't matter what you do, carpenter, motocross racer, axe murderer... if you're blaming your equipment you've already lost. He's a douche-bag because he expects and autofocusing camera to actually autofocus properly? Sure, you can shoot all-manual, but when you're using the camera as a tool to do a job you expect it to perform its functions as advertised.

02-20-2009, 12:26 AM	#10
dylansalt Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Durban, South Africa Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,052	Very uninspiring horse photo's to say the least and am sure would be "meat & potatoes" for a 20d in capable hands d

02-20-2009, 12:36 AM	#11
jak442 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 54	Originally posted by Wheatfield I'm a general contractor. I have, someplace, a cheap piece of crap B&D circular saw that would beg to differ with you. I can build a house, but this saw will not make a straight cut for me, or anyone else. I keep it around for those times when people say this kind of stuff to me. The guy is still a douchebag, but sometimes the equipment does get in the way. Haha... I've been a GC for 10 years.... well a bit longer of you count all the time I tried to fight it. I hear your point, BUT I'd be willing to bet that you've never blamed that saw for poor workmanship. And I'd also bet that, as a professional, you simply replaced it with a suitable tool and didn't whine about it. And, finaly, I'd bet that if there was a gaint dial on the side of that saw, that controlled the direction it cut, you could probably manage a decent cut....... and still not whine about it. The time I've dedicated and the ethic I have towards my trade leave me with zero patience for people who don't just shut up and do thier job(especialy electricians) and the fundemental skill of the "professional" is being able to do your job when your job is hard. 6 beers.

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02-20-2009, 12:57 AM	#12
jak442 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 54	Originally posted by pingflood He's a douche-bag because he expects and autofocusing camera to actually auto focus properly? Sure, you can shoot all-manual, but when you're using the camera as a tool to do a job you expect it to perform its functions as advertised. Naah... he's a douche-bag because he's a douche-bag. To me... a pro photog "relying" on AF is like a pro bull-rider relying on luck.

02-20-2009, 04:23 AM	#13
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Originally posted by jak442 Naah... he's a douche-bag because he's a douche-bag. To me... a pro photog "relying" on AF is like a pro bull-rider relying on luck. Next you know they'll rely on horrible things like auto exposure. Good luck shooting soccer games with manual focus and see what the keeper ratio is vs a well functioning AF system. It's not some macho contest about who can do the most with the least, it's about getting a job done. Wouldn't you rather use a tool that is suited for it?

02-20-2009, 05:34 AM	#14
ghost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Barrie, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 174	I wonder how they managed sports photography with manual focus lenses! I bet they got no keepers! Put up or shut up. If you can't get a good shot than either you suck, or there is some equipment failure. Most likely option A. Just sayin'

02-20-2009, 05:53 AM	#15
denisv Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 66	They had better viewfinders.