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05-02-2009, 02:57 PM   #16
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Like I said, the DS was my favorite camera other than the smaller LCD. I literally never used my XTi when I had it...I had an old MF 50mm f/2 that was always on the camera as well.

Of course the features on the K10D would be nice to have, but I can't really afford it right now, and it's always better to get good lenses. After all, bodies come and go, but lenses are forever.

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With your $700 budget-
16-45 $250: or DA40+18-55 kit - ~$350
55-300 $250 (probably more like $300 though)
*ist DL - $160

Use the $200 you save from getting the k10 towards the new K7 or a used K20/k200/k2000 once the k7 comes out. I'm sure there will be some folks who will end up selling their K2x bodies by fall/winter this yr.

The 2 zooms above will let you know which lens to get next. Focus on the glass. Once you use either camera you will find that you'll want more of a lens (faster, more zoom, pancake, MF, etc....)
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And three months from now we will be looking at another "what camera should I get thread".

I think you suffer from CBA.
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Well duh.

Honestly if you don't like it, then don't post in the thread.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jct us101 Quote
I know people like giving input to these kinds of threads, so I'll give you everything I'm considering.

I have about $700 or so to spend.

Pentax K10D - $350
Pentax *ist DL - $160
Pentax 17-70mm - $450
Pentax DA 40 - $300
Pentax 16-45mm - $250
Pentax 55-300mm - $250?
Pentax 18-55mm - $50
Pentax 55-200mm - $100
Pentax DA 21mm - $350
Pentax flash (suggestions?)

Those are just ideas that I had, so if you'd like to add in other suggestions then please do. I hope you guys come up with some good combinations, and hopefully I'll decide on one that I like!

Thanks everyone.
I would buy the K10D over the ist DL. I know that sucks up half your budget...but the K10D is a great camera with lot's of features. The rest of the money you have left...$ 350 , well it depends on what type of photography you like to do.

You really need to say what kind of pictures do you like to do...in order to help us. More information in questions helps get better answers tailored to your needs.

But here's some examples of what you might do.

If you like wildlife shots, birds, etc....I recommend the 55-300. I have one and it's wonderful with my K10D. The 300 mm translate to 460 mm on a K10D and that gives you great reach.

If you like taking pictures of buildings, vintage cars, etc...then the 16-45 is the lens to get IMO. The 16-45 and the 55-300 can also do portraits. But with these lenses it's either one or the other re; budget.

You could go cheap and get two lens with that $ 350...the 18-55 and the 55 -200. These are ok lenses but you may wish you went to the next step after you bought.

For a flash...I would just use the K10D's flash for the time being. I have the Pentax 360 flash and to be honest I'm not too impressed with this, especially comparing it to my old Vivitar 285 HV from my film days. The Viv I've been told will fry my digitals if I put it on them.
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The K10D is worth the difference you think? Should I just get it and the 18-55 (I rarely use the Canon one that I have) and the 55-300? Honestly my Canon 55-250 IS is ALWAYS on my camera, so I guess that does seem like a much better choice. I guess later I can always get the pancake if I still want it, but I doubt I would honestly use it as much as I think. I think I'm just mesmorized by the fact that it's as flat as it is, which is the marketing at work. I do want a fast prime for indoor shots though, what's the cheapest prime that's faster than f/2? (preferably with AF)
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QuoteOriginally posted by jct us101 Quote
Well duh.

Honestly if you don't like it, then don't post in the thread.

You ask for help, and I take the time to give my thoughts and opinions.

As with all advice given, you can take it or leave it.

Your choice was to leave it, and tell me to bug off.

Bye.

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In my honest opinion, your advice was rude and poorly worded. Other people in this thread didn't need to comment on how I might have a camera buying addiction and that I should stop buying equipment. That's not for you to decide, and it's not what I asked for.
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I'm sorry for offending you.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jct us101 Quote
The K10D is worth the difference you think? I have the KM and the K10D. I find the K10D is the body I use for 'serious' work. I'm very pleased with it's performance and the features it has that I can play around with are unbelievable. It also has Shake Reduction, weather sealing and a very rugged build. I don't know if the IST has those features.Should I just get it and the 18-55 (I rarely use the Canon one that I have) and the 55-300? I have an 18-55 on my KM (kit lens) and I use my Pentax 16-45 on my K10D. I find the Pentax 18-55 very good, but not as good as the 16-45, but then the 16-45 is more expensive so that isn't a surprise that it seems a bit better.Honestly my Canon 55-250 IS is ALWAYS on my camera, so I guess that does seem like a much better choice. I truly love my Pentax 55-300mm zoom. I find it incredibly sharp and I'm very pleased with the picture quality. It's relatively light for a lens of this range, which is good as I trek through Boreal forests looking for photo subjects.I guess later I can always get the pancake if I still want it, but I doubt I would honestly use it as much as I think. I think I'm just mesmerized by the fact that it's as flat as it is, which is the marketing at work. I do want a fast prime for indoor shots though, what's the cheapest prime that's faster than f/2? (preferably with AF)
For fast indoor work..but it's a prime, not a zoom..I like my Pentax 50mm F1.4. On my digital DSLR's it is more like a 70-75 mm portrait lens.
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Oh, and birding isn't possible with 200mm?
OK, let me rephrase that: you will find yourself very restricted if you can't go past 200mm. There's a reason serious bird photographers spend massive amounts of money on long and huge glass, and it's not lack of skills.
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OK, let me rephrase that: you will find yourself very restricted if you can't go past 200mm. There's a reason serious bird photographers spend massive amounts of money on long and huge glass, and it's not lack of skills.
I would agree.

I have the 55-300...which I'm told is the equivalent of a 460 on my K series DSLR's and I find I'm racking out to the max all the time for birds. Sometimes I wish I had a 600...but you also have to consider weight.

I find my 55-300 (460) works well.
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The*ist dl is older than the K10 so there will be more chance of that going wrong than the K10, all things being equal.
In your lists of Pros and Cons, the K10 had more pros than the *ist.
The weight shouldn't be a problem, you'll get used to it. Unless there are medical or physical reasons. I suspect that isn't the case simply because you are considering the K10.
The thing about the birding keeps coming up but you seem confident that 200mm is sufficient for your needs so you don't necessarily need to save on the camera to invest in the glass. Having said that, 10mp will be better for cropping.
SR is a useful tool to have.
You say you miss the front dial, K10 has front and back.
It's true the glass is more important than the camera but it's no good without the camera, so why not get the best camera you can. You can always invest in the glass as time goes on.

One final thing about lenses, everything you have listed is Pentax. Unless you simply must have everything Pentax, there are third party options. The Sigma 28-300mm is an underrated but competent lens and is about $250 new. That and the K10 would leave you with $100 to put towards the Pentax 16-45mm and then you would have the FL covered from 16mm all the way up to 300mm.


Moved to Everything Else because cameras and lenses are being discussed.

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k10d handles well. i found the noise above iso400 to be intolerable though, whereas the old *ist had usable iso800... at least according to my taste. besides bodies come and go. cheap body is better than more expensive bodies if it means you can get better lenses.
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Given all that has been discussed so far, I'd go for the *ist DL.

The price point makes it almost a 'disposable' camera - meaning you won't be worrying about babying it, and will be apt to USE it more.

It's the lowest risk option. Spend the bulk of your money on glass, which can move forward with you in the future.

At the end of the day, the camera body is just a light-tight box. We can argue features, doodads, gizmos, and megapixels, but none of those things are as important as the glass in front or the eye behind.
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