Concert Photography tutorials

Marc Sabatella · 05-02-2009, 04:11 PM - **1 Like**

Since I post a lot about concert photography and have learned a thing or two over the years, I thought I'd write up a tutorial of sorts. I had earlier posted one on equipment but now I've added one on technique:

Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Technique

Here is the one on equipment:

Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Equipment

But I can save you the trouble of reading it: if you're reading this, you've probably already got the right camera :-). Well, if you've got a Pentax DSLR, anyhow. Now just make sure you have fast lenses in whatever focal lengths you think you'll want (and if you have no idea, I suggest a range of short telephoto focal lengths - a 50-135 would be ideal for most people, although I personally prefer using a couple of primes in that range).

X Man · 05-02-2009, 05:00 PM

Thank you, Sir. I'll be sure to check those out. However, your post here brought up another question I have about event/concert photography.

Permission. Now, I know from going to a Yankee game that they allowed cameras with a general rule on lens length, cool.

However, I just got a couple Crosby Stills & Nash tickets for July 25th and the venue's policies which are for ballet, symphony orchestras and theater is, "No recording equipment or photography. Flash or no flash."

Now, CSN's policy with regard to "taping" is that they're "trader friendly" and allow audio recording.So, I doubt they'd mind photographs being taken.

So, how do you work this? Do you have press credentials or are you at the whim of the venue or artist's polices?

Regards,
Mike

Marc Sabatella · 05-02-2009, 07:54 PM

Good question, but I have no good answer. Some places have no problems with cameras, some places flat out will not let you enter with anything they recognize as a camera (and for whatever reason, they don't recognize cellphones as cameras). I've never tried splitting hairs in the gray areas. You could try calling the venue, but the chances of talking to anyone who could give a definitive answer - and then having that answer actually be honored by the folks at the door when you get there - are pretty slim.

Damn Brit · 05-02-2009, 09:19 PM

Nice work Marc, leave this thread here for a couple of days and then if you PM me, I'll move it to the articles section where it will be easier to find in future.

X Man · 05-02-2009, 09:29 PM

Great answer, Marc.

Cells, yeah, can't some of those things record in 1080i with 7.1 Surround sound, by now? Lol.

I thought the the EXACT same thing, and I will call the venue and I will expect the person who answers my call to be clueless.

Regards,
Mike

Originally posted by Marc Sabatella

Good question, but I have no good answer. Some places have no problems with cameras, some places flat out will not let you enter with anything they recognize as a camera (and for whatever reason, they don't recognize cellphones as cameras). I've never tried splitting hairs in the gray areas. You could try calling the venu, but the chances of talking to anyone who could give a definitive answer - and then having that answer actually be honored by the folks at the door when you get there - are pretty slim.

stoge · 05-03-2009, 05:23 AM

Nice work Marc!
I go to a small theater/concert venue in my area and often wondered if it would be Ok to bring my camera to take pics. Since the artists are usually from outside the area I wasn't sure if I had to contact both the venue and the Artist to obatain pemission to shoot Pics?

Marc Sabatella · 05-03-2009, 10:59 AM

Some venues flat out don't allow photography ever, some don't care ever. It *occasionally* happenes that a place that normally allows cameras will have an artist that specifically forbids this, but I've only had that happen a couple of times (showed up with my camera but they made a "no photography" announcement from the stage). But I mostly shoot in small clubs and artists that don't care. And of course, I'm talking about shooting from the audience - trying to get in the fornt where possible (and it often is), but there is also the whole issue of a "press pass" to get special access not available to normal folks. When I've shot in any kind of "official" capacity, I was approached about doing it, so I've never tried approaching a venue about getting a press pass. But apparently it's not all that hard, from what I've heard.

mikeSF · 05-05-2009, 11:28 AM

Marc,

this is an excellent tutorial and I really enjoyed both articles. Now i at least have a clue what to do next time I head over to The JazzSchool to take some shots using my Tak 105/2.8 and M50/1.4.

...hmm...then, I will push my way to the front of the stage knocking over a drink or two and maybe a table. next,i'll stand front and center, blocking everyone's view and fire off a burst of continuous shots during the quiet passage in "Ceora" or "'Round Midnight". Oh, using flash of course. and i'll need a friend to wield a large reflector or two...y'know to get just the right light on the acoustic bass... And when i am shooting from the back of the venue, there is nothing wrong with shouting, "down in front!" if need be, eh?

But seriously, I did like your tip about setting the AF button for AF cancel and using AF to get initial focus, then hold the button to keep it from re-focusing. And I've also now learned to underexpose if necessary to get the right shutter speed, and then correct exp afterward in PP. This makes great sense and will surely come in handy.

great stuff. thanks.

Mike

Marc Sabatella · 05-05-2009, 02:17 PM

Thanks for the comments - and it sounds like you've got the picture :-)

If you do find yourself shooting at The Jazzschool again, tell Susan Muscarella (the founder & executive director) I said hello. I studied piano with her back in the 80's (!) at Cal (UC Berkeley, for non Bay-Area-ites). I know a few other folks over there too.

Mr. B · 05-05-2009, 02:30 PM

Marc, I'm impressed

A nice tutorial to learn from, can't wait to try this stuff out.

mikeSF · 05-05-2009, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Marc Sabatella

Thanks for the comments - and it sounds like you've got the picture :-)

If you do find yourself shooting at The Jazzschool again, tell Susan Muscarella (the founder & executive director) I said hello. I studied piano with her back in the 80's (!) at Cal (UC Berkeley, for non Bay-Area-ites). I know a few other folks over there too.

will do. last few times i shot pictures at the school was with a P&S, so it will be a new experience for me with the DSLR. BTW, here is a recital clip of me playing some guitar there at the JazzSchool:
YouTube - mikeSF - recital excerpts

Ole · 05-05-2009, 08:47 PM

That's a great article, Marc, thanks for sharing your wealth of experience!

res3567 · 05-08-2009, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by Marc Sabatella

Since I post a lot about concert photography and have learned a thing or two over the years, I thought I'd write up a tutorial of sorts. I had earlier posted one on equipment but now I've added one on technique:

Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Technique

Here is the one on equipment:

Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Equipment

But I can save you the trouble of reading it: if you're reading this, you've probably already got the right camera :-). Well, if you've got a Pentax DSLR, anyhow. Now just make sure you have fast lenses in whatever focal lengths you think you'll want (and if you have no idea, I suggest a range of short telephoto focal lengths - a 50-135 would be ideal for most people, although I personally prefer using a couple of primes in that range).

Read it dude.

Awesome!

You are a Jazz musician and artist and photographer!

Wow!

You got all covered!

Can I call you Multitalented?

Thanks for all your help on this forum and I am impressed!

I am a Jazz lover myself.

MacGirl · 05-08-2009, 08:40 AM

Thanks for sharing that Mark. I've bookmarked those articles also. I'm planning on taking a few photos at an upcoming show and I'm seriously thinking of upgrading my camera to the K20D....

mikeSF · 05-08-2009, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by res3567

Read it dude.

Awesome!

You are a Jazz musician and artist and photographer!

Wow!

You got all covered!

Can I call you Multitalented?

Thanks for all your help on this forum and I am impressed!

I am a Jazz lover myself.

his jazz composition is great too. marc, i printed a couple of your leadsheets of your original tunes (off your site) and am putting them into my sightreading practice stack - hope you dont mind. i love how clever your writing is ...enjoyed "All Dudes" and "Monks Got Rhythm", "Blue Honda", etc...
Do you use Finale for the notation? I use Sibelius and see that your jazz handwritten font is stylistically a little different than mine. the leadsheeets look terrific.

05-02-2009, 04:11 PM - 1 Like	#1
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685	Concert Photography tutorials Since I post a lot about concert photography and have learned a thing or two over the years, I thought I'd write up a tutorial of sorts. I had earlier posted one on equipment but now I've added one on technique: Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Technique Here is the one on equipment: Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Equipment But I can save you the trouble of reading it: if you're reading this, you've probably already got the right camera :-). Well, if you've got a Pentax DSLR, anyhow. Now just make sure you have fast lenses in whatever focal lengths you think you'll want (and if you have no idea, I suggest a range of short telephoto focal lengths - a 50-135 would be ideal for most people, although I personally prefer using a couple of primes in that range).

05-02-2009, 07:54 PM	#3
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685 Original Poster	Good question, but I have no good answer. Some places have no problems with cameras, some places flat out will not let you enter with anything they recognize as a camera (and for whatever reason, they don't recognize cellphones as cameras). I've never tried splitting hairs in the gray areas. You could try calling the venue, but the chances of talking to anyone who could give a definitive answer - and then having that answer actually be honored by the folks at the door when you get there - are pretty slim. Last edited by Marc Sabatella; 05-02-2009 at 11:30 PM.

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05-02-2009, 05:00 PM	#2
X Man Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 478	Thank you, Sir. I'll be sure to check those out. However, your post here brought up another question I have about event/concert photography. Permission. Now, I know from going to a Yankee game that they allowed cameras with a general rule on lens length, cool. However, I just got a couple Crosby Stills & Nash tickets for July 25th and the venue's policies which are for ballet, symphony orchestras and theater is, "No recording equipment or photography. Flash or no flash." Now, CSN's policy with regard to "taping" is that they're "trader friendly" and allow audio recording.So, I doubt they'd mind photographs being taken. So, how do you work this? Do you have press credentials or are you at the whim of the venue or artist's polices? Regards, Mike

05-02-2009, 09:19 PM	#4
Damn Brit Guest	Nice work Marc, leave this thread here for a couple of days and then if you PM me, I'll move it to the articles section where it will be easier to find in future.

05-02-2009, 09:29 PM	#5
X Man Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 478	Great answer, Marc. Cells, yeah, can't some of those things record in 1080i with 7.1 Surround sound, by now? Lol. I thought the the EXACT same thing, and I will call the venue and I will expect the person who answers my call to be clueless. Regards, Mike Originally posted by Marc Sabatella Good question, but I have no good answer. Some places have no problems with cameras, some places flat out will not let you enter with anything they recognize as a camera (and for whatever reason, they don't recognize cellphones as cameras). I've never tried splitting hairs in the gray areas. You could try calling the venu, but the chances of talking to anyone who could give a definitive answer - and then having that answer actually be honored by the folks at the door when you get there - are pretty slim.

05-03-2009, 05:23 AM	#6
stoge Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: front royal,va Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 98	Nice work Marc! I go to a small theater/concert venue in my area and often wondered if it would be Ok to bring my camera to take pics. Since the artists are usually from outside the area I wasn't sure if I had to contact both the venue and the Artist to obatain pemission to shoot Pics?

05-03-2009, 10:59 AM	#7
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685 Original Poster	Some venues flat out don't allow photography ever, some don't care ever. It occasionally happenes that a place that normally allows cameras will have an artist that specifically forbids this, but I've only had that happen a couple of times (showed up with my camera but they made a "no photography" announcement from the stage). But I mostly shoot in small clubs and artists that don't care. And of course, I'm talking about shooting from the audience - trying to get in the fornt where possible (and it often is), but there is also the whole issue of a "press pass" to get special access not available to normal folks. When I've shot in any kind of "official" capacity, I was approached about doing it, so I've never tried approaching a venue about getting a press pass. But apparently it's not all that hard, from what I've heard.

05-05-2009, 11:28 AM	#8
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,620	Marc, this is an excellent tutorial and I really enjoyed both articles. Now i at least have a clue what to do next time I head over to The JazzSchool to take some shots using my Tak 105/2.8 and M50/1.4. ...hmm...then, I will push my way to the front of the stage knocking over a drink or two and maybe a table. next,i'll stand front and center, blocking everyone's view and fire off a burst of continuous shots during the quiet passage in "Ceora" or "'Round Midnight". Oh, using flash of course. and i'll need a friend to wield a large reflector or two...y'know to get just the right light on the acoustic bass... And when i am shooting from the back of the venue, there is nothing wrong with shouting, "down in front!" if need be, eh? But seriously, I did like your tip about setting the AF button for AF cancel and using AF to get initial focus, then hold the button to keep it from re-focusing. And I've also now learned to underexpose if necessary to get the right shutter speed, and then correct exp afterward in PP. This makes great sense and will surely come in handy. great stuff. thanks. Mike

05-05-2009, 02:17 PM	#9
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685 Original Poster	Thanks for the comments - and it sounds like you've got the picture :-) If you do find yourself shooting at The Jazzschool again, tell Susan Muscarella (the founder & executive director) I said hello. I studied piano with her back in the 80's (!) at Cal (UC Berkeley, for non Bay-Area-ites). I know a few other folks over there too.

05-05-2009, 02:30 PM	#10
Mr. B Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Varaždin, Croatia, Europe Photos: Gallery Posts: 295	Marc, I'm impressed A nice tutorial to learn from, can't wait to try this stuff out.

05-05-2009, 06:56 PM	#11
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,620	Originally posted by Marc Sabatella Thanks for the comments - and it sounds like you've got the picture :-) If you do find yourself shooting at The Jazzschool again, tell Susan Muscarella (the founder & executive director) I said hello. I studied piano with her back in the 80's (!) at Cal (UC Berkeley, for non Bay-Area-ites). I know a few other folks over there too. will do. last few times i shot pictures at the school was with a P&S, so it will be a new experience for me with the DSLR. BTW, here is a recital clip of me playing some guitar there at the JazzSchool: YouTube - mikeSF - recital excerpts

05-05-2009, 08:47 PM	#12
Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,408	That's a great article, Marc, thanks for sharing your wealth of experience!

05-08-2009, 03:26 AM	#13
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	Originally posted by Marc Sabatella Since I post a lot about concert photography and have learned a thing or two over the years, I thought I'd write up a tutorial of sorts. I had earlier posted one on equipment but now I've added one on technique: Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Technique Here is the one on equipment: Marc Sabatella: Concert Photography - Equipment But I can save you the trouble of reading it: if you're reading this, you've probably already got the right camera :-). Well, if you've got a Pentax DSLR, anyhow. Now just make sure you have fast lenses in whatever focal lengths you think you'll want (and if you have no idea, I suggest a range of short telephoto focal lengths - a 50-135 would be ideal for most people, although I personally prefer using a couple of primes in that range). Read it dude. Awesome! You are a Jazz musician and artist and photographer! Wow! You got all covered! Can I call you Multitalented? Thanks for all your help on this forum and I am impressed! I am a Jazz lover myself.

05-08-2009, 08:40 AM	#14
MacGirl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 209	Thanks for sharing that Mark. I've bookmarked those articles also. I'm planning on taking a few photos at an upcoming show and I'm seriously thinking of upgrading my camera to the K20D....

05-08-2009, 08:44 AM	#15
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,620	Originally posted by res3567 Read it dude. Awesome! You are a Jazz musician and artist and photographer! Wow! You got all covered! Can I call you Multitalented? Thanks for all your help on this forum and I am impressed! I am a Jazz lover myself. his jazz composition is great too. marc, i printed a couple of your leadsheets of your original tunes (off your site) and am putting them into my sightreading practice stack - hope you dont mind. i love how clever your writing is ...enjoyed "All Dudes" and "Monks Got Rhythm", "Blue Honda", etc... Do you use Finale for the notation? I use Sibelius and see that your jazz handwritten font is stylistically a little different than mine. the leadsheeets look terrific.