A Little Chat with Pentax re: Nikon 1.1

benjikan · 06-11-2007, 03:42 PM

It seems that the "Rumors" about an 18.7 mega pixel Nikon with a 1.1 sensor seem to be known to the people at Pentax. When I brought up the new Nikon they weren't at all surprised and said "Yes, a 1.1 sensor of 18.7 mega pixels..."

Take it for what ever that is worth. The implications could be interesting.

Ben

pentaxshooter · 06-11-2007, 03:57 PM

$799 D200's??

Any other interesting tidbits for us. We look forward to your dispatches.

*isteve · 06-11-2007, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

It seems that the "Rumors" about an 18.7 mega pixel Nikon with a 1.1 sensor seem to be known to the people at Pentax. When I brought up the new Nikon they weren't at all surprised and said "Yes, a 1.1 sensor of 18.7 mega pixels..."

Take it for what ever that is worth. The implications could be interesting.

Ben

Yes very interesting - Pentax have almost no production FF lenses and none on the roadmap so what are the chances? None I would say!

vinzer · 06-11-2007, 05:05 PM

OH MY F*CK!

Sorry. Haha.

A sensor like that in a Pentax body... mmm... chocolate goodness.

FotoPete · 06-11-2007, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by *isteve

Yes very interesting - Pentax have almost no production FF lenses and none on the roadmap so what are the chances? None I would say!

Well all the new Nikon lenses are DX (APS) cropped as well.

option · 06-11-2007, 06:12 PM

Conspiracy time: the delays in the DA* lenses are due to the fact that Pentax will indeed be releasing a 18.7mp 1.1 crop camera in the near future, and has halted production of the DA* line in order to tweak the designs to make them FF, D FA* lenses...

jnorth · 06-11-2007, 06:58 PM

so how is this different from a 'medium format' digital camera?

isn't this in concept the same thing as the difference with a 35 mm slr and a 645 medium format?

what am I missing?

joele · 06-11-2007, 08:00 PM

Personally I think Pentax would be better with the 1.5x and the Medium format for high end... Maybe in time a 1.3x crop.. But going FF would play havoc with their current lens line-up..

Of course if everyone else (other than Oly) went full frame on mid range DSLR then they would have no choice??

kenyee · 06-11-2007, 08:01 PM

LOL. I doubt they could "tweak" a DA lens into an FA lens.

What I'd like to know is whether the 1.1x crop is enough for in-body shake reduction to work for full frame lenses. Pentax can't put a full-frame sensor in unless they build lenses w/ internal VR. Hope the DA* lenses come out so FA lenses drop in price ;-)

BrendanPK · 06-11-2007, 09:37 PM

OR the DA* lenses are already FF capable, just a FF body would not have SR. Simple solution.

Personaly I would like to see a DA* lens hit the private market

Matjazz · 06-12-2007, 01:56 AM

I agree with joele and I don't see a reason for Pentax FF. The announcement of one would only confuse an average Joe who would probably wait to see what happens before buying any more lenses. Sensors are and will be getting better and better and I believe that within 2-3 years we'll have an aps-c sized sensors as good as todays FF ones.
For those that really need FF equivalent there is a 645D.

option · 06-12-2007, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Matjazz

I agree with joele and I don't see a reason for Pentax FF. The announcement of one would only confuse an average Joe who would probably wait to see what happens before buying any more lenses. Sensors are and will be getting better and better and I believe that within 2-3 years we'll have an aps-c sized sensors as good as todays FF ones.
For those that really need FF equivalent there is a 645D.

I couldnt care less about the sensor itself; its the FF viewfinder I lust for...

Even a 1.3 APS-H crop would make a big difference, IMO.

SHIFT · 06-12-2007, 07:56 AM

My 4GB card would seem like nothing on that 18.7MP camera!!!

kenyee · 06-12-2007, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Matjazz

within 2-3 years we'll have an aps-c sized sensors as good as todays FF ones

You can't beat the laws of physics. The more pixels you have, the less photons land in them, the less low-light sensitive the sensor is :-(
I would be happy w/ the previously rumored 1.25x crop 12mpix sensor w/ ISO6400 sensitivity and better dynamic range...

mattdm · 06-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by kenyee

You can't beat the laws of physics. The more pixels you have, the less photons land in them, the less low-light sensitive the sensor is :-(
I would be happy w/ the previously rumored 1.25x crop 12mpix sensor w/ ISO6400 sensitivity and better dynamic range...

Yes, but we can find more and more clever things to do with them. In 2-3 years there won't be any revolutions, but I think it's reasonable to believe that leaps in technology will increase sensitivity by an order of magnitude or two in our lifetime. Perhaps even more as we get into quantum-level nanotech -- but that's really not in 2-3 years.

06-11-2007, 03:42 PM	#1
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	A Little Chat with Pentax re: Nikon 1.1 It seems that the "Rumors" about an 18.7 mega pixel Nikon with a 1.1 sensor seem to be known to the people at Pentax. When I brought up the new Nikon they weren't at all surprised and said "Yes, a 1.1 sensor of 18.7 mega pixels..." Take it for what ever that is worth. The implications could be interesting. Ben

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pentaxshooter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: SoCal Photos: Gallery Posts: 199	$799 D200's?? Any other interesting tidbits for us. We look forward to your dispatches.

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*isteve Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 1,187	Originally posted by benjikan It seems that the "Rumors" about an 18.7 mega pixel Nikon with a 1.1 sensor seem to be known to the people at Pentax. When I brought up the new Nikon they weren't at all surprised and said "Yes, a 1.1 sensor of 18.7 mega pixels..." Take it for what ever that is worth. The implications could be interesting. Ben Yes very interesting - Pentax have almost no production FF lenses and none on the roadmap so what are the chances? None I would say!

06-11-2007, 05:05 PM	#4
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	OH MY F*CK! Sorry. Haha. A sensor like that in a Pentax body... mmm... chocolate goodness.

06-11-2007, 05:13 PM	#5
FotoPete Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,774	Originally posted by *isteve Yes very interesting - Pentax have almost no production FF lenses and none on the roadmap so what are the chances? None I would say! Well all the new Nikon lenses are DX (APS) cropped as well.

06-11-2007, 06:12 PM	#6
option Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 46	Conspiracy time: the delays in the DA* lenses are due to the fact that Pentax will indeed be releasing a 18.7mp 1.1 crop camera in the near future, and has halted production of the DA* line in order to tweak the designs to make them FF, D FA* lenses...

06-11-2007, 06:58 PM	#7
jnorth Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 230	so how is this different from a 'medium format' digital camera? isn't this in concept the same thing as the difference with a 35 mm slr and a 645 medium format? what am I missing?

06-11-2007, 08:00 PM	#8
joele Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,308	Personally I think Pentax would be better with the 1.5x and the Medium format for high end... Maybe in time a 1.3x crop.. But going FF would play havoc with their current lens line-up.. Of course if everyone else (other than Oly) went full frame on mid range DSLR then they would have no choice??

06-11-2007, 08:01 PM	#9
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	LOL. I doubt they could "tweak" a DA lens into an FA lens. What I'd like to know is whether the 1.1x crop is enough for in-body shake reduction to work for full frame lenses. Pentax can't put a full-frame sensor in unless they build lenses w/ internal VR. Hope the DA* lenses come out so FA lenses drop in price ;-)

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BrendanPK Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 735	OR the DA* lenses are already FF capable, just a FF body would not have SR. Simple solution. Personaly I would like to see a DA* lens hit the private market

06-12-2007, 01:56 AM	#11
Matjazz Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: EU/Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 774	I agree with joele and I don't see a reason for Pentax FF. The announcement of one would only confuse an average Joe who would probably wait to see what happens before buying any more lenses. Sensors are and will be getting better and better and I believe that within 2-3 years we'll have an aps-c sized sensors as good as todays FF ones. For those that really need FF equivalent there is a 645D.

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06-12-2007, 07:16 AM	#12
option Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 46	Originally posted by Matjazz I agree with joele and I don't see a reason for Pentax FF. The announcement of one would only confuse an average Joe who would probably wait to see what happens before buying any more lenses. Sensors are and will be getting better and better and I believe that within 2-3 years we'll have an aps-c sized sensors as good as todays FF ones. For those that really need FF equivalent there is a 645D. I couldnt care less about the sensor itself; its the FF viewfinder I lust for... Even a 1.3 APS-H crop would make a big difference, IMO.

06-12-2007, 07:56 AM	#13
SHIFT Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 30	My 4GB card would seem like nothing on that 18.7MP camera!!!

06-12-2007, 08:04 AM	#14
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by Matjazz within 2-3 years we'll have an aps-c sized sensors as good as todays FF ones You can't beat the laws of physics. The more pixels you have, the less photons land in them, the less low-light sensitive the sensor is :-( I would be happy w/ the previously rumored 1.25x crop 12mpix sensor w/ ISO6400 sensitivity and better dynamic range...

06-12-2007, 09:20 AM	#15
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by kenyee You can't beat the laws of physics. The more pixels you have, the less photons land in them, the less low-light sensitive the sensor is :-( I would be happy w/ the previously rumored 1.25x crop 12mpix sensor w/ ISO6400 sensitivity and better dynamic range... Yes, but we can find more and more clever things to do with them. In 2-3 years there won't be any revolutions, but I think it's reasonable to believe that leaps in technology will increase sensitivity by an order of magnitude or two in our lifetime. Perhaps even more as we get into quantum-level nanotech -- but that's really not in 2-3 years.