People One Accident and One planned exposure

Deiberson · 12-21-2010, 11:26 AM

Some of my kids at school had a Christmas musical yesterday. They got all dressed up so I figured I'd pull out the camera. The first picture was taken from my hip accidentally while I was trying to figure out how to fire the flash on wireless mode. The second pic was obviously planned. It took several attempts but I'm happy with it. This is my first photo post so go easy on me, but I really like the accident for some reason.

Manel Brand · 12-21-2010, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Deiberson

but I really like the accident for some reason

I like it too.

On the second, I would like to see the violin's scroll and pegs on the composition.

Well, you ask for it, so take it or ignore it.

Deiberson · 12-21-2010, 11:56 AM

after i shot it i realized it might have been better if i was looking "down the barrel" of the violin with the pegs at the front of the shot.
i guess i should add that i increased the black point in the images, not sure if that's cheating.

slowpez · 12-21-2010, 12:13 PM

I like the first one and agree that having the whole violin in the shot would have been better. The lighting on her hair is especially nice I think.

Manel Brand · 12-21-2010, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Deiberson

i increased the black point in the images, not sure if that's cheating.

Not at all. Do as you please. Photos are supposed to be processed at will.

Sparkle · 12-21-2010, 02:30 PM

My view, for what it is worth, is that Post Processing should not be confused with good photography. The second photo was planned, is very over exposed (and the PP is too dark), so I'm tough! It is great that you are honest. So back to the study of technique. The lucky shot is, to my eye, better composed and exposed. It tells the story. (However the bow should be held on or near the frog with the little finger touching for balance.) If you straighten the lucky shot it should appear better. I tried to take your advice, "...go easy on me." I hope you do a better job of taking mine! Season's Greetings and post more in the new year.

Manel Brand · 12-21-2010, 02:55 PM

hey Sparkle, your remarks are really interesting. If you think you're funny and you like to make people laugh, you are still a long way from earning a living as a comedian. Perhaps you should go back to the study of the technique.

Sparkle · 12-21-2010, 03:37 PM

"Physician, heal thyself." (Hebrew Proverb)

QFish · 12-21-2010, 04:50 PM

#1 is better IMO but, to tell the truth it is all about the very simple question " who is the hero of an image ". I can not see from the pic #2 what you want to depict and what is important to you. I would not get worried too much about "accidental approach" Just look at Mark Chagall's work everything is planed-accidental! and he is an artist not photographer.

**Ash** · 12-21-2010, 05:22 PM

The accident turned out a better shot also IMO.
The composition is more pleasing visually and less flat/boring than #2.

SpecialK · 12-21-2010, 08:19 PM

The second one suffers from "head-in-center syndrome" and therefore the composition suffers. Maybe cropping off a good bit of the left and coming down to the top of her head would balance it better. I think the exposure is fine, though.

I find the first one more interesting, but still the composition and cropping is a bit awkward.

dexmus · 12-21-2010, 08:55 PM

I like the first one better as well. I think what makes a violin picture interesting is the delicate positioning of fingers (both ends). Since that is totally absent from the second pic, it feels 'cut'.

tackyat.2 · 12-22-2010, 01:02 AM

I don't like the second photo for one big reason:

It makes the little girl look like a little girl.

You shot down at her, which does not really work here at all. I would try to get at least eye level with her, even if it means getting down on my knees.

Secondly, I don't expect anyone to show me mercy when I post something on the Critique forum, so why should you ask for someone to "show you mercy?"

Learning takes place outside of the comfort zone.

Manel Brand · 12-22-2010, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Sparkle

"Physician, heal thyself." (Hebrew Proverb)

Good point.

I've tried the healing brush but I'm not sure I did get it right; but if I got that would be a nice work, if I get it.

Also, I'm been fiddling with my monitor brightness from about the last 60 years or so. I think I have to calibrate that again sometime in the near future. Maybe I will buy a new one for this season greetings, so I've no more complains with crops, flat tops, clutter and such annoyances. Problem is, I'm saving to buy one more tripod because it's very windy around here and I really need one to improve my composition. So guess Ash said it all.

Thank you for your proverbial insight, Adonai.

Deiberson · 12-22-2010, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by SpecialK

I find the first one more interesting, but still the composition and cropping is a bit awkward

i didn't crop it. that's how it came out.

Originally posted by Ash

The composition is more pleasing visually and less flat/boring than #2.

what are some techniques that are used to prevent that flatness. one of the reasons that i posted the first one was becasue of the warm feel it had to it.

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12-21-2010, 11:26 AM	#1
Deiberson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 734	One Accident and One planned exposure Lens: sigma 18-70 Camera: k-x Some of my kids at school had a Christmas musical yesterday. They got all dressed up so I figured I'd pull out the camera. The first picture was taken from my hip accidentally while I was trying to figure out how to fire the flash on wireless mode. The second pic was obviously planned. It took several attempts but I'm happy with it. This is my first photo post so go easy on me, but I really like the accident for some reason.

12-21-2010, 11:44 AM	#2
Manel Brand Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Porto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 853	Originally posted by Deiberson but I really like the accident for some reason I like it too. On the second, I would like to see the violin's scroll and pegs on the composition. Well, you ask for it, so take it or ignore it.

12-21-2010, 11:56 AM	#3
Deiberson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 734 Original Poster	after i shot it i realized it might have been better if i was looking "down the barrel" of the violin with the pegs at the front of the shot. i guess i should add that i increased the black point in the images, not sure if that's cheating.

12-21-2010, 12:13 PM	#4
slowpez Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South Carolina, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 18,462	I like the first one and agree that having the whole violin in the shot would have been better. The lighting on her hair is especially nice I think.

12-21-2010, 01:16 PM	#5
Manel Brand Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Porto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 853	Originally posted by Deiberson i increased the black point in the images, not sure if that's cheating. Not at all. Do as you please. Photos are supposed to be processed at will.

12-21-2010, 02:30 PM	#6
Sparkle Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,521	My view, for what it is worth, is that Post Processing should not be confused with good photography. The second photo was planned, is very over exposed (and the PP is too dark), so I'm tough! It is great that you are honest. So back to the study of technique. The lucky shot is, to my eye, better composed and exposed. It tells the story. (However the bow should be held on or near the frog with the little finger touching for balance.) If you straighten the lucky shot it should appear better. I tried to take your advice, "...go easy on me." I hope you do a better job of taking mine! Season's Greetings and post more in the new year.

12-21-2010, 02:55 PM	#7
Manel Brand Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Porto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 853	hey Sparkle, your remarks are really interesting. If you think you're funny and you like to make people laugh, you are still a long way from earning a living as a comedian. Perhaps you should go back to the study of the technique.

12-21-2010, 03:37 PM	#8
Sparkle Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,521	"Physician, heal thyself." (Hebrew Proverb)

12-21-2010, 04:50 PM	#9
QFish Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 37	#1 is better IMO but, to tell the truth it is all about the very simple question " who is the hero of an image ". I can not see from the pic #2 what you want to depict and what is important to you. I would not get worried too much about "accidental approach" Just look at Mark Chagall's work everything is planed-accidental! and he is an artist not photographer.

12-21-2010, 05:22 PM	#10
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	The accident turned out a better shot also IMO. The composition is more pleasing visually and less flat/boring than #2.

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12-21-2010, 08:19 PM	#11
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,480	The second one suffers from "head-in-center syndrome" and therefore the composition suffers. Maybe cropping off a good bit of the left and coming down to the top of her head would balance it better. I think the exposure is fine, though. I find the first one more interesting, but still the composition and cropping is a bit awkward.

12-21-2010, 08:55 PM	#12
dexmus Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 392	I like the first one better as well. I think what makes a violin picture interesting is the delicate positioning of fingers (both ends). Since that is totally absent from the second pic, it feels 'cut'.

12-22-2010, 01:02 AM	#13
tackyat.2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 181	I don't like the second photo for one big reason: It makes the little girl look like a little girl. You shot down at her, which does not really work here at all. I would try to get at least eye level with her, even if it means getting down on my knees. Secondly, I don't expect anyone to show me mercy when I post something on the Critique forum, so why should you ask for someone to "show you mercy?" Learning takes place outside of the comfort zone.

12-22-2010, 03:30 AM	#14
Manel Brand Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Porto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 853	Originally posted by Sparkle "Physician, heal thyself." (Hebrew Proverb) Good point. I've tried the healing brush but I'm not sure I did get it right; but if I got that would be a nice work, if I get it. Also, I'm been fiddling with my monitor brightness from about the last 60 years or so. I think I have to calibrate that again sometime in the near future. Maybe I will buy a new one for this season greetings, so I've no more complains with crops, flat tops, clutter and such annoyances. Problem is, I'm saving to buy one more tripod because it's very windy around here and I really need one to improve my composition. So guess Ash said it all. Thank you for your proverbial insight, Adonai.

12-22-2010, 06:52 AM	#15
Deiberson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 734 Original Poster	Originally posted by SpecialK I find the first one more interesting, but still the composition and cropping is a bit awkward i didn't crop it. that's how it came out. Originally posted by Ash The composition is more pleasing visually and less flat/boring than #2. what are some techniques that are used to prevent that flatness. one of the reasons that i posted the first one was becasue of the warm feel it had to it.