People Accidentally Artistic?

Rupert · 03-16-2011, 10:12 PM

You know old Rupert has no artistic talent, but.......

I was going through the shots from yesterday and processing a few when I came across this one which was obviously overexposed. I almost hit the delete, but.........What do you think? If I was trying for it, I doubt I could have done it, it is not something I would try for......But, if you like it I will change my story!

How I got a setting of ISO 6400 with studio strobes is a mystery to me......too much Pizza?

Best Regards!

A very pale Shelby!
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I did manage to get a few that were better.......it was a day of trying to learn the K5, so I didn't have high expectations.
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My favorite of the day....too bad I had ISO 6400 here too.....but I love the pose.
Pizza and Hot Wings were great......and of course we had fun...we always have fun!

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Brenda Lee · 03-17-2011, 07:42 PM

I'm not a fan of the overexposed shot. If she were dressed as a geisha, it could have worked.

The second shot is awkward. The third shot I really like. It's a shame about the noise, but if you cleaned it up some in Photoshop, it could work well as an edgy, contrasty B&W.

Rupert · 03-17-2011, 09:25 PM

Thanks for your views......the second shot was shot for a photo story, and if you knew the story it would make sense to you......not your fault that it doesn't. Third one, my favorite, In may clean it up and see what happens? First one, not my "style" but at some place they loved it?

What about this?
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Just trying to get some feedback.......Thanks!

Best Regards!

leadbelly · 03-17-2011, 09:45 PM

Personally, I find the lighting too hard and flat... like it was taken with the pop up flash... the third one above is better. What lighting are you using? And how?

JeffJS · 03-21-2011, 02:30 AM

I can't say I'm liking the pale Shelbys. They could work if toned down slightly and presented in black and white though. Might be worth a try.

repaap · 03-21-2011, 02:37 AM

Id echo on Jeff's toning down and trying B&W, there is not enough contrast at first one it is burnt out...But lips are popping out. You might want to try B&W and leave lips as red. Last one would be better in B&W too, and it's better for me atleast.

normhead · 03-21-2011, 06:24 AM

For sure go black and white on those two, also push our contrast right over the top, so it's all blacks and whites. A real old school high tone is called for here IMHO. I don't know if it's will work, but it's worth a try.

**Fontan** · 03-21-2011, 12:50 PM

It is all about finding the right opportunity for each of those presentations as above. Appropriate context, I think, is the key here.

Rupert · 03-21-2011, 07:53 PM

I'm not a great processor, but you guys are welcome to work on these and post them here if you like. I would be most interested in viewing what you might do.
Best Regards!

One more I like....

Again, my 1st day with the K5 and somehow I ended up at f14 and ISO 6400.....???
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guidoanselmi · 03-22-2011, 10:54 AM

1. Learn how to use lights. Lighting's too harsh as someone pointed out - so learn to bounce or get some modifiers. Also you have your keying off/it looks like there's some other lights elsewhere.
2. Composition/directing. The last one you posted is really distracting with how it cuts at the elbows. The one with the farmer's hat & elbow needs the model to pose with her back straighter as her posture is bad. The three portrait shots aren't too bad w/r/t this.
3. Processing. Starting off at 6400 kinda kills you. In the first photo, though, you have the super saturated lips which are pretty bad. In other photos including the first, it's clear her roots aren't colored. You might want to dodge/burn or bring in levels on the left for a darker look with what you have.

Rupert · 03-22-2011, 05:02 PM

Well, I'm not going to argue with you, they are less than stellar shots.....for one thing my wireless flash was not working so I had to shoot with only the 540 and a diffuser....but getting the settings all screwed up was certainly my fault....the newness of the K5 and my lovely model distracted me!

I'll do better next time, no doubt......anyhow, I always say that...helps to build confidence!

Poses are the credit of my model, for an untrained "walk off the street" girl, she is superb!
Lots to learn...always lots to learn! Thanks for your thoughts, they all help!

Best Regards!

I did think this one turned out decent?

Ratmagiclady · 03-22-2011, 05:29 PM

Hrm, Rupert. I like the second shot there, but the first one looks like it might be fun to play with in heavy-handed ways.

I could see going from the top left corner to the bottom right in a loose curve, (so you only see one eye,) then making like an 80's Nagel print look out of it by filling in the rest with black and graphic-design bits. (Remember those? From like every hair salon in the world?

) Put a pink stripe and a mint-green dot in..

Or you could try the burn tool on that hair, see what you get. You could get a high-key look out of it if you take the washed-out off of that.

Being still-working on my PP skills, I"m sometimes tempted to play.

Rupert · 03-24-2011, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by Ratmagiclady

Hrm, Rupert. I like the second shot there, but the first one looks like it might be fun to play with in heavy-handed ways.

I could see going from the top left corner to the bottom right in a loose curve, (so you only see one eye,) then making like an 80's Nagel print look out of it by filling in the rest with black and graphic-design bits. (Remember those? From like every hair salon in the world?

) Put a pink stripe and a mint-green dot in..

Or you could try the burn tool on that hair, see what you get. You could get a high-key look out of it if you take the washed-out off of that.

Being still-working on my PP skills, I"m sometimes tempted to play.

Ratlady, you are free to help yourself to these to play with. Just post your results here for us to enjoy!
Best Regards

Ratmagiclady · 03-24-2011, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

Ratlady, you are free to help yourself to these to play with. Just post your results here for us to enjoy!
Best Regards

Heehee. Well, I just might, as long as I remember to.

I've been trying to catch up on some housework today, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, but I'm finally having somewhat more fun with this whole computer thing. (An acceptable monitor and a faster computer in the house certainly make actually dealing electronically with photos more fun, but now I have to actually be dealing with facing my crustiness rather than mostly-hardware frustrations. I'm not so sure about my Paint Shop Pro software, interfacewise, but it *seems* to have the capabilities in there to do a lot.

)

Anyway, it's not the kind of error I usually get, myself, though it's a familiar sort of issue from analog darkroom days, and I'd therefore maybe benefit from the exercise, so we'll see. Does look like the makings of some 80's retro there.

That's 6400 from a K-5, though, eh? Doesn't look so bad at all from here. (I'm on my old machine again, today.) Have you already done anything to it?

jolepp · 03-24-2011, 03:22 PM

Heh, Gimping thusly

1) Colors / Desaturate (average)
2) Filters / Edge-Detect / Edge (differential, 1.0, smear)
3) Colors / Invert

resulted in this:

03-16-2011, 10:12 PM	#1
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Accidentally Artistic? Lens: DA50-135 Camera:* K5 Photo Location: Texas ISO: 6400 Shutter Speed: 1/200s Aperture: F9.5 You know old Rupert has no artistic talent, but....... I was going through the shots from yesterday and processing a few when I came across this one which was obviously overexposed. I almost hit the delete, but.........What do you think? If I was trying for it, I doubt I could have done it, it is not something I would try for......But, if you like it I will change my story! How I got a setting of ISO 6400 with studio strobes is a mystery to me......too much Pizza? Best Regards! A very pale Shelby! [IMG] [/IMG] I did manage to get a few that were better.......it was a day of trying to learn the K5, so I didn't have high expectations. [IMG] [/IMG] My favorite of the day....too bad I had ISO 6400 here too.....but I love the pose. Pizza and Hot Wings were great......and of course we had fun...we always have fun! [IMG] [/IMG]

03-17-2011, 09:25 PM	#3
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123 Original Poster	Thanks for your views......the second shot was shot for a photo story, and if you knew the story it would make sense to you......not your fault that it doesn't. Third one, my favorite, In may clean it up and see what happens? First one, not my "style" but at some place they loved it? What about this? Attachment 86295 Just trying to get some feedback.......Thanks! Best Regards! Last edited by Rupert; 07-09-2015 at 11:04 AM.

03-24-2011, 03:22 PM	#15
jolepp Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Finland Photos: Albums Posts: 3,196	Heh, Gimping thusly 1) Colors / Desaturate (average) 2) Filters / Edge-Detect / Edge (differential, 1.0, smear) 3) Colors / Invert resulted in this: Last edited by jolepp; 03-03-2017 at 02:40 AM.

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03-17-2011, 07:42 PM	#2
Brenda Lee Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NB, Canada Posts: 85	I'm not a fan of the overexposed shot. If she were dressed as a geisha, it could have worked. The second shot is awkward. The third shot I really like. It's a shame about the noise, but if you cleaned it up some in Photoshop, it could work well as an edgy, contrasty B&W.

03-17-2011, 09:45 PM	#4
leadbelly Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 597	Personally, I find the lighting too hard and flat... like it was taken with the pop up flash... the third one above is better. What lighting are you using? And how?

03-21-2011, 02:30 AM	#5
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	I can't say I'm liking the pale Shelbys. They could work if toned down slightly and presented in black and white though. Might be worth a try.

03-21-2011, 02:37 AM	#6
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Id echo on Jeff's toning down and trying B&W, there is not enough contrast at first one it is burnt out...But lips are popping out. You might want to try B&W and leave lips as red. Last one would be better in B&W too, and it's better for me atleast.

03-21-2011, 06:24 AM	#7
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	For sure go black and white on those two, also push our contrast right over the top, so it's all blacks and whites. A real old school high tone is called for here IMHO. I don't know if it's will work, but it's worth a try.

03-21-2011, 12:50 PM	#8
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	It is all about finding the right opportunity for each of those presentations as above. Appropriate context, I think, is the key here.

03-21-2011, 07:53 PM	#9
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123 Original Poster	I'm not a great processor, but you guys are welcome to work on these and post them here if you like. I would be most interested in viewing what you might do. Best Regards! One more I like.... Again, my 1st day with the K5 and somehow I ended up at f14 and ISO 6400.....??? [IMG] [/IMG]

03-22-2011, 10:54 AM	#10
guidoanselmi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: LA, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 131	1. Learn how to use lights. Lighting's too harsh as someone pointed out - so learn to bounce or get some modifiers. Also you have your keying off/it looks like there's some other lights elsewhere. 2. Composition/directing. The last one you posted is really distracting with how it cuts at the elbows. The one with the farmer's hat & elbow needs the model to pose with her back straighter as her posture is bad. The three portrait shots aren't too bad w/r/t this. 3. Processing. Starting off at 6400 kinda kills you. In the first photo, though, you have the super saturated lips which are pretty bad. In other photos including the first, it's clear her roots aren't colored. You might want to dodge/burn or bring in levels on the left for a darker look with what you have.

03-22-2011, 05:02 PM	#11
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123 Original Poster	Well, I'm not going to argue with you, they are less than stellar shots.....for one thing my wireless flash was not working so I had to shoot with only the 540 and a diffuser....but getting the settings all screwed up was certainly my fault....the newness of the K5 and my lovely model distracted me! I'll do better next time, no doubt......anyhow, I always say that...helps to build confidence! Poses are the credit of my model, for an untrained "walk off the street" girl, she is superb! Lots to learn...always lots to learn! Thanks for your thoughts, they all help! Best Regards! I did think this one turned out decent?

03-22-2011, 05:29 PM	#12
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Hrm, Rupert. I like the second shot there, but the first one looks like it might be fun to play with in heavy-handed ways. I could see going from the top left corner to the bottom right in a loose curve, (so you only see one eye,) then making like an 80's Nagel print look out of it by filling in the rest with black and graphic-design bits. (Remember those? From like every hair salon in the world? ) Put a pink stripe and a mint-green dot in.. Or you could try the burn tool on that hair, see what you get. You could get a high-key look out of it if you take the washed-out off of that. Being still-working on my PP skills, I"m sometimes tempted to play.

03-24-2011, 06:12 AM	#13
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ratmagiclady Hrm, Rupert. I like the second shot there, but the first one looks like it might be fun to play with in heavy-handed ways. I could see going from the top left corner to the bottom right in a loose curve, (so you only see one eye,) then making like an 80's Nagel print look out of it by filling in the rest with black and graphic-design bits. (Remember those? From like every hair salon in the world? ) Put a pink stripe and a mint-green dot in.. Or you could try the burn tool on that hair, see what you get. You could get a high-key look out of it if you take the washed-out off of that. Being still-working on my PP skills, I"m sometimes tempted to play. Ratlady, you are free to help yourself to these to play with. Just post your results here for us to enjoy! Best Regards

03-24-2011, 02:39 PM	#14
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Rupert Ratlady, you are free to help yourself to these to play with. Just post your results here for us to enjoy! Best Regards Heehee. Well, I just might, as long as I remember to. I've been trying to catch up on some housework today, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, but I'm finally having somewhat more fun with this whole computer thing. (An acceptable monitor and a faster computer in the house certainly make actually dealing electronically with photos more fun, but now I have to actually be dealing with facing my crustiness rather than mostly-hardware frustrations. I'm not so sure about my Paint Shop Pro software, interfacewise, but it seems to have the capabilities in there to do a lot. ) Anyway, it's not the kind of error I usually get, myself, though it's a familiar sort of issue from analog darkroom days, and I'd therefore maybe benefit from the exercise, so we'll see. Does look like the makings of some 80's retro there. That's 6400 from a K-5, though, eh? Doesn't look so bad at all from here. (I'm on my old machine again, today.) Have you already done anything to it?