More Flower Macros - C&C please

Gadget_Guy · 07-01-2008, 06:13 AM

I am learning how to shoot flower shots with my Sigma 50mm Macro.

If you wouldn't mind having a look and commenting please.

The only PP is croping and resize.

I will just post up a couple here, the rest are found at:

More macros from the garden | Soylent Geek

Thanks for looking!

D.

Last edited by Gadget_Guy; 07-01-2008 at 06:18 AM.

Gadget_Guy · 07-02-2008, 06:58 AM

Are they that bad that there is no comments?

D.

maxwell1295 · 07-03-2008, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by Gadget_Guy

Are they that bad that there is no comments?

D.

I don't think that's the case. They're not bad....it's just that no one was blown away by them. Remember, flowers (and maybe children) are probably the single most photographed things in the history of photography. It's going to take a really good shot to get anybody's attention because they've literally seen thousands of incredible flower shots.

Of the shot's you posted, I would say #2 and #4 have the best chance of being noticed. The focus is not very good on either. #2 seems to be completely OOF.....or you focused on something other than where the eye is naturally drawn to. A little more DOF and #4 would be really good.

Gadget_Guy · 07-03-2008, 07:40 AM

Thanks Maxwell,

I wasn't trying to impress as much as learn..... why I posted these in Critique rather than in the other area.

I am having a heck of a time with my macro focusing.... being so close and being hand held the slightest movement makes a world of difference....

I have been doing the majority of the shots at 2.8 I guess I should open up the DOF a bit more... maybe around 5.6 ?

D.

heliphoto · 07-03-2008, 11:13 AM

I haven't been into the critique section for a while, but I'll throw in my .02. Keep in mind that these are my subjective thoughts and I have no real formal photography training, just what I've picked up flailing along (I don't know what we covered in H.S. photography class, not much apparently).

#1 - Does nothing for me. The light might be part of the problem, somehow, the highlights seem kinda -flat- to me, I' don't really know how to describe it, but there's no real glow to the colors, and some of the highlights look blown, or almost so. I also feel the picture also lacks compositionally, I don't usually like square, flat shots of natural subjects, again, it lacks depth. I might have tried an angled view of the flowers with a shallow to medium depth of field so the flowers in the background blur progressively.

#2 - For me shooting flowers, I feel like the pistol/stamen core of the flower are like the eyes of a person in a portrait - they should always be in sharp focus (unless they are oof deliberately for creative effect). This is hard with a shallow DOF, but in this shot the focus is well behind these parts, it's on the base of the top petal, and some of the top right petal. As you say, f/2.8 is a tiny, tiny slice of focused area when you're working at these close distances. I usually find I need between f/5.6 f/11 to get enough of the flower in focus. If you have a tripod, I would do this. Compose a shot you like with your camera on a tripod. Focus carefully (take a sample shot and look at the results on your display to check the focus point), then without moving the camera or focus, shoot a series from wide open aperture all the way through the smallest aperture of the lens in full stop increments. If you do this often you'll start to get a feel for what settings work out best to achieve you vision, and you can go right to those settings. I often bracket aperture a few stops both sides of what I think is the right settings are, and sometimes I save a shot this way.

#3 - The two flowers are pretty far apart, neither of them is in focus, and there are many distractions around the frame.

#4 - A classic tight flower macro, but the the DOF is too narrow.

#5 - I like this shot, I'd like it more with just a touch more DOF.

#6 - see #5

#7 - Focus!

#8 - more DOF please.

At f/2.8 and close focusing it's VERY difficult to focus hand held. Tripod or more DOF will help. Try to have a vision of what you want where in the frame and what you want focused and what the DOF should be and how you're gonna achieve those goals before you even look through the viewfinder.

Don't hesitate to kneel or lie down to get some more interesting compositions. This often lets you get a perspective which looks more fresh to people. Please don't be offended at my comentary, remember I don't really know what I'm talking about, and I still take photos that look like those of yours I griped about - I just don't post 'em.

Gadget_Guy · 07-03-2008, 01:59 PM

Thanks Josh,

That is exactly what I was looking for!

Very much appreciated.

D.

beest · 07-03-2008, 02:01 PM

I agree with heli on the DOFand the focusing. With those covered you are showing us what you want us to look at. A couple are not focused on anything of interest.

That's my $0.0168...it works out to .02 with tax.

Last edited by beest; 07-03-2008 at 05:07 PM.

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07-01-2008, 06:13 AM	#1
Gadget_Guy Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 374	More Flower Macros - C&C please I am learning how to shoot flower shots with my Sigma 50mm Macro. If you wouldn't mind having a look and commenting please. The only PP is croping and resize. I will just post up a couple here, the rest are found at: More macros from the garden \| Soylent Geek Thanks for looking! D. Last edited by Gadget_Guy; 07-01-2008 at 06:18 AM.

07-02-2008, 06:58 AM	#2
Gadget_Guy Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 374 Original Poster	Are they that bad that there is no comments? D.

07-03-2008, 05:17 AM	#3
maxwell1295 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,703	Originally posted by Gadget_Guy Are they that bad that there is no comments? D. I don't think that's the case. They're not bad....it's just that no one was blown away by them. Remember, flowers (and maybe children) are probably the single most photographed things in the history of photography. It's going to take a really good shot to get anybody's attention because they've literally seen thousands of incredible flower shots. Of the shot's you posted, I would say #2 and #4 have the best chance of being noticed. The focus is not very good on either. #2 seems to be completely OOF.....or you focused on something other than where the eye is naturally drawn to. A little more DOF and #4 would be really good.

07-03-2008, 07:40 AM	#4
Gadget_Guy Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 374 Original Poster	Thanks Maxwell, I wasn't trying to impress as much as learn..... why I posted these in Critique rather than in the other area. I am having a heck of a time with my macro focusing.... being so close and being hand held the slightest movement makes a world of difference.... I have been doing the majority of the shots at 2.8 I guess I should open up the DOF a bit more... maybe around 5.6 ? D.

07-03-2008, 11:13 AM	#5
heliphoto Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Region 5 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,539	I haven't been into the critique section for a while, but I'll throw in my .02. Keep in mind that these are my subjective thoughts and I have no real formal photography training, just what I've picked up flailing along (I don't know what we covered in H.S. photography class, not much apparently). #1 - Does nothing for me. The light might be part of the problem, somehow, the highlights seem kinda -flat- to me, I' don't really know how to describe it, but there's no real glow to the colors, and some of the highlights look blown, or almost so. I also feel the picture also lacks compositionally, I don't usually like square, flat shots of natural subjects, again, it lacks depth. I might have tried an angled view of the flowers with a shallow to medium depth of field so the flowers in the background blur progressively. #2 - For me shooting flowers, I feel like the pistol/stamen core of the flower are like the eyes of a person in a portrait - they should always be in sharp focus (unless they are oof deliberately for creative effect). This is hard with a shallow DOF, but in this shot the focus is well behind these parts, it's on the base of the top petal, and some of the top right petal. As you say, f/2.8 is a tiny, tiny slice of focused area when you're working at these close distances. I usually find I need between f/5.6 f/11 to get enough of the flower in focus. If you have a tripod, I would do this. Compose a shot you like with your camera on a tripod. Focus carefully (take a sample shot and look at the results on your display to check the focus point), then without moving the camera or focus, shoot a series from wide open aperture all the way through the smallest aperture of the lens in full stop increments. If you do this often you'll start to get a feel for what settings work out best to achieve you vision, and you can go right to those settings. I often bracket aperture a few stops both sides of what I think is the right settings are, and sometimes I save a shot this way. #3 - The two flowers are pretty far apart, neither of them is in focus, and there are many distractions around the frame. #4 - A classic tight flower macro, but the the DOF is too narrow. #5 - I like this shot, I'd like it more with just a touch more DOF. #6 - see #5 #7 - Focus! #8 - more DOF please. At f/2.8 and close focusing it's VERY difficult to focus hand held. Tripod or more DOF will help. Try to have a vision of what you want where in the frame and what you want focused and what the DOF should be and how you're gonna achieve those goals before you even look through the viewfinder. Don't hesitate to kneel or lie down to get some more interesting compositions. This often lets you get a perspective which looks more fresh to people. Please don't be offended at my comentary, remember I don't really know what I'm talking about, and I still take photos that look like those of yours I griped about - I just don't post 'em.

07-03-2008, 01:59 PM	#6
Gadget_Guy Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Burlington, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 374 Original Poster	Thanks Josh, That is exactly what I was looking for! Very much appreciated. D.

07-03-2008, 02:01 PM	#7
beest Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kingston, Nova Scotia Photos: Gallery Posts: 100	I agree with heli on the DOFand the focusing. With those covered you are showing us what you want us to look at. A couple are not focused on anything of interest. That's my $0.0168...it works out to .02 with tax. Last edited by beest; 07-03-2008 at 05:07 PM.