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Ray Hines · 06-13-2016, 12:23 PM

Hi All

I visited my first airshow this past weekend and have 100's of images to go through. This one is niggling me though. It's had a big crop and I'm wondering if there should be more space in front of the planes. You all know the old saying that things should look or in this case fly into the frame. The original is attached below. You'll see there is plenty of room to fly into, and how much I've cropped.

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micromacro · 06-13-2016, 12:25 PM

I like the first one. Maybe a bit more space on the right side.

**UncleVanya** · 06-14-2016, 01:28 AM

I would experiment. At first glance I want more of the smoke trail...

Ray Hines · 06-14-2016, 01:39 AM

Thanks for the comments, it's appreciated. UV I have experimented and the top image is what I came up with, but as I said it's niggling me. Do I add more at the front, or as you say, add more at the back? Or what I was after, a nice close up? I just don't know at the moment.

**UncleVanya** · 06-14-2016, 10:11 AM - **1 Like**

Frame it the way that makes you happy. LOL

elensia · 06-16-2016, 06:22 AM

First is better. But I will try different framing/cropping to see more possibilities.
May more smoke trace. But in all cases try to do several different positions and compare them.

DeadJohn · 06-16-2016, 07:27 AM

I prefer the first image. #2 has too much boring sky.

The interesting things in your photo are the wing walkers and how close the planes appear to be to each other. A tight crop does a good job showing that. Sometime it's okay to center the subject.

**LaurenOE** · 06-16-2016, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

Frame it the way that makes you happy. LOL

Yep. Exactly.

or

Crop the entire smoke trail, to the planes, and leave a bit of sky.
Then you have an entire diagonal.

**yucatanPentax** · 06-16-2016, 08:09 AM

I think I'd like more to the left and more to the right, but not as much above and below as the second image. The planes are lost in all the blue there.
So, more smoke trail and more space to "travel into" but not top and bottom. I do like the detail in the tight crop.
Anyway, cool shot!

Ray Hines · 06-16-2016, 09:52 AM

Thanks everyone for your comments and ideas. They are all very much appreciated.

Ray Hines · 06-16-2016, 12:59 PM

I've looked at all of your suggestions and decided to keep what I have. Enlarging the frame with more front and back makes the planes to small for me. I have decided to give the plane colour a little boost though.

Thanks again

**yucatanPentax** · 06-16-2016, 01:36 PM

The detail makes it a fascinating shot.
I have a similar Sigma lens and I've found it to be surprisingly sharp in good light where I can stop down a bit.

SpecialK · 06-16-2016, 04:08 PM

The planes and people are the subject. Smoke is insignificant for the shot, and sky even less important.

If the plane was making big loops of smoke, that would be different.

**Bruce Clark** · 06-16-2016, 04:37 PM

An interesting dilemma. At first glance I liked the cropped version as I get a better look at the detail. But on reflection, the wide angle give a better perspective of flying off in in the vast blue sky. This is what I think the photo is about. The close cropped version might just as easily been done in the hanger with a backdrop. Experiment with putting the aircraft at the 1/3 intersection or the "Golden Ratio" Numerous interpretations are possible

K-9 · 06-16-2016, 04:48 PM

Have you tried something in between these two crops?

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06-13-2016, 12:25 PM	#2
micromacro Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,722	I like the first one. Maybe a bit more space on the right side.

06-14-2016, 01:28 AM	#3
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,460	I would experiment. At first glance I want more of the smoke trail...

06-14-2016, 01:39 AM	#4
Ray Hines Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Devon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 154 Original Poster	Thanks for the comments, it's appreciated. UV I have experimented and the top image is what I came up with, but as I said it's niggling me. Do I add more at the front, or as you say, add more at the back? Or what I was after, a nice close up? I just don't know at the moment.

06-14-2016, 10:11 AM - 1 Like	#5
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,460	Frame it the way that makes you happy. LOL

06-16-2016, 06:22 AM	#6
elensia Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 68	First is better. But I will try different framing/cropping to see more possibilities. May more smoke trace. But in all cases try to do several different positions and compare them.

06-16-2016, 07:27 AM	#7
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	I prefer the first image. #2 has too much boring sky. The interesting things in your photo are the wing walkers and how close the planes appear to be to each other. A tight crop does a good job showing that. Sometime it's okay to center the subject.

06-16-2016, 08:03 AM	#8
LaurenOE Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back in Florida, but worldwide gigs! Photos: Albums Posts: 3,690	Originally posted by UncleVanya Frame it the way that makes you happy. LOL Yep. Exactly. or Crop the entire smoke trail, to the planes, and leave a bit of sky. Then you have an entire diagonal.

06-16-2016, 08:09 AM	#9
yucatanPentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas / Yucatan Posts: 1,842	I think I'd like more to the left and more to the right, but not as much above and below as the second image. The planes are lost in all the blue there. So, more smoke trail and more space to "travel into" but not top and bottom. I do like the detail in the tight crop. Anyway, cool shot!

06-16-2016, 09:52 AM	#10
Ray Hines Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Devon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 154 Original Poster	Thanks everyone for your comments and ideas. They are all very much appreciated.

06-16-2016, 12:59 PM	#11
Ray Hines Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Devon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 154 Original Poster	I've looked at all of your suggestions and decided to keep what I have. Enlarging the frame with more front and back makes the planes to small for me. I have decided to give the plane colour a little boost though. Thanks again

06-16-2016, 01:36 PM	#12
yucatanPentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas / Yucatan Posts: 1,842	The detail makes it a fascinating shot. I have a similar Sigma lens and I've found it to be surprisingly sharp in good light where I can stop down a bit.

06-16-2016, 04:08 PM	#13
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,482	The planes and people are the subject. Smoke is insignificant for the shot, and sky even less important. If the plane was making big loops of smoke, that would be different.

06-16-2016, 04:37 PM	#14
Bruce Clark Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ocean Grove, Victoria Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,458	An interesting dilemma. At first glance I liked the cropped version as I get a better look at the detail. But on reflection, the wide angle give a better perspective of flying off in in the vast blue sky. This is what I think the photo is about. The close cropped version might just as easily been done in the hanger with a backdrop. Experiment with putting the aircraft at the 1/3 intersection or the "Golden Ratio" Numerous interpretations are possible

06-16-2016, 04:48 PM	#15
K-9 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,971	Have you tried something in between these two crops?

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