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08-08-2010, 05:24 PM   #1
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120 fast film?

I just purchased a Minolta Autocord on *Bay.
I intend to use it as a walk around camera so not necessarily on a tripod for landscape and misc. I have no experience with fast MF film as use only 25 or 100 in 120 (I only shoot B&W) .
Is there anybody that could share experience?
I do a lot of stand development which usually gives me up to one stop (25 shot 50, 100 shot 160, 400 shot 640/800).
I tried to buy some 120 Neopan 400 but was told that Fuji had discontinued the film.

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Luc

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Kodak TMax 400
Kodak Tri-X 400
Rollei Retro 400s
Ilford Delta 3200
Ilford HP5+ 400
Ilford Delta Pro 400
Arista.EDU Ultra 400 (aka Fomapan 400)
Fomapan 400


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Kodak TMax 400
Kodak Tri-X 400
Rollei Retro 400s
Ilford Delta 3200
Ilford HP5+ 400
Ilford Delta Pro 400
Arista.EDU Ultra 400 (aka Fomapan 400)
Fomapan 400


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Hello Steve,

Any of those that you have used to your satisfaction
I think that you can also add to the list Adox 400 as I read that it was coming to NA this fall = APX 400.

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You might want to try C-41 B&W like Kodak's 400CN you won't get grain but more of a creamy/smooth <not sure if that's the proper description> image and you can get it done at a mini lab but check ahead if they have the right channel and paper setup, chances are if they sell the film, they'll also process and print it.

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You might want to try C-41 B&W like Kodak's 400CN you won't get grain but more of a creamy/smooth <not sure if that's the proper description> image and you can get it done at a mini lab but check ahead if they have the right channel and paper setup, chances are if they sell the film, they'll also process and print it.
What not develop my film!!!
No way. I tried these films in 135 and did not really liked them.

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QuoteOriginally posted by lbenac Quote
Hello Steve,

Any of those that you have used to your satisfaction
I think that you can also add to the list Adox 400 as I read that it was coming to NA this fall = APX 400.
Nah...no hints. You know me, I shoot the slow stuff too. I just figured I would be the first to hand you the full list. Maybe you could just order up a sampler from Freestyle and share your impressions with the group. I have a friend that swears by the Delta 400 and I have been tempted to try the RR 400s.


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Nah...no hints. You know me, I shoot the slow stuff too. I just figured I would be the first to hand you the full list. Maybe you could just order up a sampler from Freestyle and share your impressions with the group. I have a friend that swears by the Delta 400 and I have been tempted to try the RR 400s.


Steve

No no no... this is exactly what I do not want to do. I am still trying to keep the number of films down.
I am already shooting in 135
APX100
APX400
TriX400

In 120
Efke25 (might try it in 135 also, it is a great film)
Formapan100
Across100
Adox50 (just testing)

cheers,

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08-09-2010, 06:57 AM   #8
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Luc, If you like APX400 and TriX in 135, start with them in 120.

Foma 400 I don't like, it dyes the chemistry blue... Foma 100 is a much better film

I get good results with the Ilford films in 120

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Luc,

I like Kodak Tri-X 400.

With my Pentax 6x7 I had always used just the slow stuff (for both B&W and color, actually). But recently after getting interested in more "basic" MF cameras - including toy cameras (I have a Holga) and vintage cameras with simple meniscus lenses - the fact that I use these almost always hand-held, and the fact that I don't plan on printing the resulting images large have encouraged me to try faster film.

What attracted me to Tri-X for those uses was that it was considered a kind of classic film with a traditional "look," and that it was easy to find (and hopefully will be for a long time). What's more, I liked the idea that I could develop it in Diafine for a speed boost, and also increase the exposure range over which I could get usable results. That last point can be very important when using cameras with such limited exposure control.

My main qualm about it was that I have usually had to rate it at 200 ASA when developing in my standard developer, HC-110. I just couldn't seem to get good shadows out of it when rated at 400. Hmm, maybe that's what that traditional look is all about! Also, it seemed a bit grainier than I would like if I were to ever try it for "serious" landscape work in which I would want to print large.

However, just recently I had some very encouraging results with Tri-X and semi-stand development in HC-110 that seem to overcome those qualms. The grain was much finer and smoother than I have seen previously, and (pending some further testing) it looks like I am getting at least rated speed out of it, and possibly up to one stop more. I hope I don't eat my words in saying that, since I really need to scan a test roll I took and verify that I can duplicate the results before I am really sure. But if you are interested I can provide details. I would also be very interested in hearing about your development techniques with the Efke 25.

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How fast are you looking for?

You can shoot 400TX and 400TMY at EI 800 and develop normally if you want. Both will push to 1600 well. Though this is of little help now that it's discontinued, I just developed some 320TXP at EI6400 in Acufine's ACU-1 developer. I may scan a sample tonight. But looking at the negs, I think it would have better overall results at EI3200. I saw a shot on Flickr of a guy who pushed 400TX to EI25600 with stand development in Rodinal. Scanning produced a usable image but I have a feeling a wet print would have trouble.
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How fast are you looking for?

You can shoot 400TX and 400TMY at EI 800 and develop normally if you want. Both will push to 1600 well. Though this is of little help now that it's discontinued, I just developed some 320TXP at EI6400 in Acufine's ACU-1 developer. I may scan a sample tonight. But looking at the negs, I think it would have better overall results at EI3200. I saw a shot on Flickr of a guy who pushed 400TX to EI25600 with stand development in Rodinal. Scanning produced a usable image but I have a feeling a wet print would have trouble.

Yes he is posting at the Rangefinder forum. All I have seen are very small image posted on the web. I am not sure this would stand a print of reasonable size.
I would be happy with 800 provided I get good tonality.
I purchased some 320TXP and will try it.

Cheers,

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Delta 3200 is really nice. I have just recently shot my first roll of the Arista EDU 400, but I haven't developed it yet, so I'm not sure if it is any good. I have heard & read good things about it though. If it is anything like the EDU 100 then a prewash is definitely in order. You would think you had green dish soap in the tank when you dump the prewash from EDU 100! Of course I was using D76 at the time, now that I'm using a one-shot developer I guess it doesn't matter.

Edit: I forgot to mention, the EDU 100 has an unusually stiff base material, and I'd bet that the 400 is like that as well.

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I would also be very interested in hearing about your development techniques with the Efke 25.

Jeff
I use stand development:
1. Xtol 200ml
2. Rodinal 10ml
3. Tap water 800ml
4. Borax - a small touch
for one hour.

Edit: I meter the film at ISO50 as stand development tends to push the film.

It just work great for me.

Cheers,

Luc

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Here are a couple of test shots using 320TXP at EI6400 in Acufine's ACU-1 developer, FYI. I increased the development time 25% per the instructions for a cold light enlarger. One high contrast scene at night and the other just at dusk. You can see it's pretty grainy at the larger size and the twilight shot not too rich with mid tones and shadow detail.



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Here are a couple of test shots using 320TXP at EI6400 in Acufine's ACU-1 developer, FYI. I increased the development time 25% per the instructions for a cold light enlarger. One high contrast scene at night and the other just at dusk. You can see it's pretty grainy at the larger size and the twilight shot not too rich with mid tones and shadow detail.
Thanks for the sample. I read that 320TXP was not as accommodating as 400TX and that seem to be the case. I will give it a try at box speed and 640.

Cheers,

Luc
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