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01-29-2012, 04:49 AM   #16
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I picked up a Mamiya Super 23 kit with 6 x 7 back, wide angle finder plus wide angle and standard lens in London. Jacobs were having a clear out of medium format giving additional 30% off when some were already 50% off. Anyone used the super 23. I was intreged by it and haven't tested it out as yet. Cost me Ģ300 for the whole kit...with a 12 month warranty!
wow. What a monster! Am curious to see what it can do. Keep us in the loop.

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I don't know why you asked this on a Pentax forum, what answer did you think you would get? Trying to justify buying the thing we want, are we?

The two cameras are very different. The H500 is a leaf-shutter square format camera, syncing up to 1/500. The P67 is a focal-plane shutter 6x7 camera with 1/30 sync. For studio work, do not get a P67. You will be happier with an RB/RZ67 due to close bellows focus, higher flash sync, and back system. The Hasselblad was designed as a wedding camera - fast sync, fast lenses, backs. The P67 is basically a super-sized 35mm SLR, and works the same in most respects. The flash sync is terrible, and the leafshutter lenses are an awkward solution. Shutter shake really isn't the huge issue it's made out to be, though.

Glass-wise, though, I love my P67. The 75/4.5 is awesome, the late 55/4 is the best lens I've ever used, the 105/2.4 is incredibly fast. I'd have to do a comparison to Hasselblad lenses on a design-by-design basis. I doubt even Zeiss can equal some of the P67 lenses. They might edge out some of the others, but another nice thing about the P67 is the lenses are cheap. Most of them go for <$150, the better and more specialty lenses are usually $300-400, and the (uniformly excellent) zooms are only $750. You could buy a zoom for the price of a single 50 year old Hasselblad lens. If you want any Hasselblad stuff made in the last 30 years, you could probably buy an entire P67 system (or some of the really exotic EDIF long telephotos) for the same price. It's really an excellent value for your money, particularly since you can use the lenses on a 645/645D too.
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They might edge out some of the others, but another nice thing about the P67 is the lenses are cheap. Most of them go for <$150, the better and more specialty lenses are usually $300-400, and the (uniformly excellent) zooms are only $750. You could buy a zoom for the price of a single 50 year old Hasselblad lens. If you want any Hasselblad stuff made in the last 30 years, you could probably buy an entire P67 system (or some of the really exotic EDIF long telephotos) for the same price. It's really an excellent value for your money, particularly since you can use the lenses on a 645/645D too.
Many C lenses for the Hasselblad are actually comparable in many ways to P67 lens prices. It's the CFi lenses for the Hassy that are really pricey. I'd be totally surprised if you could find a zoom for a P67 for under $1500USD ( if you are lucky enough to even find one). Same with the M* 300/400 ED IF, 100mm macro and 75mm f2.8 lenses.

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Your mileage will obviously vary considerably, but I've seen a couple units of both 67 zooms go for $700-1000 recently. I didn't have the cash or I'd have snapped up one of the 55-100s.

I just ran a comparison and it looks like except for a few specific lenses (50mm and 150mm C T*) the Hasselblad lenses are at least double the late/high end Pentax offering, excluding the 75/2.8 AL which I've only seen two of in two years of looking. Some of them it's really pitiful, with the Zeiss going for 10x as much as the low-end Pentax offering ($700 Zeiss 180/4 vs $75 SMC Takumar 200/4 or $150 for the late SMCP-67 200/4). Even the normal lens is almost twice as much. (I always compared within the same condition grade at equivalent focal lengths, using C or C T* prices)

If you start comparing the Pentax lenses to Hasselblad lenses made in the last 30 years, it predictably becomes insane. CFT lenses basically start at $1200, the only Pentax lenses that I've seen break $1000 are the long telephotos, the 75/2.8 AL, or the zooms. Hasselblad seems to fare OK in the long tele department, which is surprising, although I only compared to 350mm.


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CFT lenses basically start at $1200, the only Pentax lenses that I've seen break $1000 are the long telephotos, the 75/2.8 AL, or the zooms. Hasselblad seems to fare OK in the long tele department, which is surprising, although they only go to 350mm.
I have a the following Zeiss lenses purchased within the last few years and the most expensive one was the 50mm FLE at, IIRC, ~$750 USD from keh.com
  • CF T* 50mm FLE
  • CB T* 60mm
  • CF T* 80mm
  • CF T* 100mm
  • CF T* 120mm
  • CF T* 150mm
The rest were about $500 price range or less and all in good shape. My M*300mm ED IF for my P67 was $1500

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It's not orders of magnitude difference unless you compare to the CFT and other modern Zeiss lenses, but the Pentax is significantly cheaper across the board and that's often comparing 60s/70s vintage Zeiss glass to 1990-2000 Pentax lenses. CT* lenses aren't insane compared to modern digital autofocus glass, but they're not dirt cheap like the P67 lenses are either.

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You said the CF T* start at $1200.
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You said the CF T* start at $1200.
Whoops, you're right, I guess I was looking at some CFE and CFI lenses when I said that. Hasselblad's naming system isn't easy to distinguish at a glance (like Pentax 6x7 vs Pentax 67 is much better)

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Brief update here:

So, I was looking at the Pentax 6x7 and Hasselblad 500 series, when I came across a bargain 6x7 Bronica GS-1 with 110 f:4 lens, WLF and 120 film back. I didnīt know much about Bronica but after a bit of googling, it seemed very promising! The price was so low that I just couldnīt resist! Now reading through the manual and trying to learn the basics.

The camera seems very nice, bulky yes, but Iīm propably going to use it on a tripod 90% of the time anyway so it doesnīt matter... Now I need to get a decent light meter somewhere.
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