Could this be a game changer?

itshimitis · 08-22-2012, 05:43 AM

Apparently hasselblad is looking at releasing a mirror less 36 x 48mm CMOS censored camera:

Hasselblad to Unleash a Giant-Sensored Mirrorless Camera?

**TER-OR** · 08-22-2012, 06:06 AM

Hmm...Hasselblad uber-camera or new car....
I'm not saying I wouldn't take one if it just showed up in the mail one day...

Na Horuk · 08-22-2012, 06:16 AM

I'm just wondering about the mirrorless part. Medium format photographers tend to be purists who prefer old school techniques and technology. This might be appealing to studio shooters, though, especially if its cheaper than other Hasselblads but delivers similar quality. It does make one wonder what Pentax' reply to this will be. If any.

**maxfield_photo** · 08-22-2012, 06:21 AM

Honestly I don't think many medium format shooters will go for it, so it better be pretty darn cheap to attract users from FF and APS-C systems.

Royce Howland · 08-22-2012, 06:28 AM

There are good reasons for getting rid of the mirror, and good ways to do so now, even if reducing the size of the camera to something pocketable is not part of the goal. MF camera companies ultimately will go to CMOS sensors, the continued lack of which is what blocked many of the other advances in the imaging pipeline that have been happening on 35mm. Once large, relatively economical CMOS sensors are in use, then Live View (which leads to EVF), image stabilization, mirrorless, etc. will follow along just like with the 35mm players. Even video... shocking!

I wouldn't necessarily have thought Hassy would be the first to do this, but somebody will. And the other MF players will follow... at least those who continue to survive. If Pentax put out a mirrorless 645 and had all the other solid qualities of the current 645D, I would go for it asap.

itshimitis · 08-22-2012, 06:41 AM

I'd love a 645D with live view. Really make the most of the sharpest lenses. I'm not so bothered on mirror less and EVF's but a CMOS sensor with Live view (is it true that CCD can't do live view because of heat) would be a winner for me

eddie1960 · 08-22-2012, 06:48 AM

the rumour is pretty strong that is is a mirrorless digital version of the Xpan hassy

a great camera but never a huge seller (used ones still cost a bomb). it would be nice (and smart) if it took the same lenses though

XPan 30mm

LamyTax · 08-22-2012, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

the rumour is pretty strong that is is a mirrorless digital version of the Xpan hassy

a great camera but never a huge seller (used ones still cost a bomb). it would be nice (and smart) if it took the same lenses though

XPan 30mm

Most recent Hasselblads were not huge sellers if you look at the overall picture

.

RonHendriks1966 · 08-22-2012, 07:24 AM

That would make a nice sensor for 645Dii

eddie1960 · 08-22-2012, 07:29 AM

medium format in general was never a huge seller after the mid seventies or so. the X pan was a 35mm panorama camera so the wide sensor makes sense. this is effectively a double wide ff i think (not a medium format specifically) - it was a fuji partnership, so i wouldn't be suprised to see a fuji variant of this arise as well

Quote:

X-System

The dual-format X-System comprised the XPan and XPan II, and was Hasselblad's first camera to use 35mm film. Built with a rubber-covered titanium and aluminium body, they were designed as a coupled rangefinder camera with interchangeable, compact lenses.

The XPan cameras are re-branded versions of the Fuji TX-1 and TX-2. The XPan II has every feature of the original, but grants the user the ability to record thirty-minute exposures compared to the old limit of three minutes. Electronic exposure information in the viewfinder is another additional feature of the XPan II.

The XPan reverted to the focal plane shutter, offering 8–1/1000 s, and flash sync from B (max. 270 s) – 1/125 s.

The intent in releasing the XPan was to provide medium format image quality on 35 mm film. The XPan utilised the entire area of the 35 mm film for either panorama or 35mm format, providing a panorama effect without masking the film or reducing image quality. This technique produced a panorama negative almost three times larger than traditional masking and over five times larger than that of APS cameras.[17]

The XPan is now discontinued.

Not sure this is really all that needed in the easy digital pano world. but it does have potential to streamline shooting pano.

Medium FormatPro · 08-22-2012, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by maxfield_photo

Honestly I don't think many medium format shooters will go for it

Mamiya also releasing one that will work with all of the Phase backs - including the 80mp one (and somewhat into the future their 110mp back). The Mamiya one is geared more towards copy stand work and studio photo documentation, but not with live objects such as people or pets.

And along with the linked Hasselblad in this article; it will be interesting to see what else makes news out of Germany in about a month or so. Hasselblad also working on two other mirrorless cameras; one is a digital version of a 903 swc. Also not sure how the second one fits into the picture (so to state), but the second one will basically be an all manual body - with both digital and film backs offered.

eddie1960 · 08-22-2012, 07:35 AM

and leica will be showing the M10 supposedly (live view and Cmos and likely video if rumours are right)

RonHendriks1966 · 08-22-2012, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

the rumour is pretty strong that is is a mirrorless digital version of the Xpan hassy

a great camera but never a huge seller (used ones still cost a bomb). it would be nice (and smart) if it took the same lenses though

XPan 30mm

Why is the sensor then not in panoramic size?

eddie1960 · 08-22-2012, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Why is the sensor then not in panoramic size?

no idea. but the x pan was a panorama camera. It would shoot either a standard 35mm frame (24x36) or a double wide frame (24x65)
this could be a close digital equivalent being able to shoot 24x48 for instance - or 18x48 effectively cropping to a double wide apsc frame, or being capable of shooting a bigger than FF 4:3 frame
since the old lenses had to cover the 65mm width in pano i imagine they have a big enough image circle to do this
Is there even a 65mm wide sensor they could have sourced made??

RonHendriks1966 · 08-22-2012, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

no idea. but the x pan was a panorama camera. It would shoot either a standard 35mm frame (24x36) or a double wide frame (24x65)
this could be a close digital equivalent being able to shoot 24x48 for instance - or 18x48 effectively cropping to a double wide apsc frame, or being capable of shooting a bigger than FF 4:3 frame
since the old lenses had to cover the 65mm width in pano i imagine they have a big enough image circle to do this
Is there even a 65mm wide sensor they could have sourced made??

This sounds cheap

08-22-2012, 05:43 AM	#1
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08-22-2012, 06:06 AM	#2
TER-OR Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dundee, IL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,699	Hmm...Hasselblad uber-camera or new car.... I'm not saying I wouldn't take one if it just showed up in the mail one day...

08-22-2012, 06:16 AM	#3
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	I'm just wondering about the mirrorless part. Medium format photographers tend to be purists who prefer old school techniques and technology. This might be appealing to studio shooters, though, especially if its cheaper than other Hasselblads but delivers similar quality. It does make one wonder what Pentax' reply to this will be. If any.

08-22-2012, 06:21 AM	#4
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	Honestly I don't think many medium format shooters will go for it, so it better be pretty darn cheap to attract users from FF and APS-C systems.

08-22-2012, 06:28 AM	#5
Royce Howland Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 275	There are good reasons for getting rid of the mirror, and good ways to do so now, even if reducing the size of the camera to something pocketable is not part of the goal. MF camera companies ultimately will go to CMOS sensors, the continued lack of which is what blocked many of the other advances in the imaging pipeline that have been happening on 35mm. Once large, relatively economical CMOS sensors are in use, then Live View (which leads to EVF), image stabilization, mirrorless, etc. will follow along just like with the 35mm players. Even video... shocking! I wouldn't necessarily have thought Hassy would be the first to do this, but somebody will. And the other MF players will follow... at least those who continue to survive. If Pentax put out a mirrorless 645 and had all the other solid qualities of the current 645D, I would go for it asap.

08-22-2012, 06:41 AM	#6
itshimitis Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: All over the place Posts: 3,535 Original Poster	I'd love a 645D with live view. Really make the most of the sharpest lenses. I'm not so bothered on mirror less and EVF's but a CMOS sensor with Live view (is it true that CCD can't do live view because of heat) would be a winner for me

08-22-2012, 06:48 AM	#7
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	the rumour is pretty strong that is is a mirrorless digital version of the Xpan hassy a great camera but never a huge seller (used ones still cost a bomb). it would be nice (and smart) if it took the same lenses though XPan 30mm

08-22-2012, 07:10 AM	#8
LamyTax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 376	Originally posted by eddie1960 the rumour is pretty strong that is is a mirrorless digital version of the Xpan hassy a great camera but never a huge seller (used ones still cost a bomb). it would be nice (and smart) if it took the same lenses though XPan 30mm Most recent Hasselblads were not huge sellers if you look at the overall picture .

08-22-2012, 07:24 AM	#9
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	That would make a nice sensor for 645Dii

08-22-2012, 07:29 AM	#10
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	medium format in general was never a huge seller after the mid seventies or so. the X pan was a 35mm panorama camera so the wide sensor makes sense. this is effectively a double wide ff i think (not a medium format specifically) - it was a fuji partnership, so i wouldn't be suprised to see a fuji variant of this arise as well Quote: X-System The dual-format X-System comprised the XPan and XPan II, and was Hasselblad's first camera to use 35mm film. Built with a rubber-covered titanium and aluminium body, they were designed as a coupled rangefinder camera with interchangeable, compact lenses. The XPan cameras are re-branded versions of the Fuji TX-1 and TX-2. The XPan II has every feature of the original, but grants the user the ability to record thirty-minute exposures compared to the old limit of three minutes. Electronic exposure information in the viewfinder is another additional feature of the XPan II. The XPan reverted to the focal plane shutter, offering 8–1/1000 s, and flash sync from B (max. 270 s) – 1/125 s. The intent in releasing the XPan was to provide medium format image quality on 35 mm film. The XPan utilised the entire area of the 35 mm film for either panorama or 35mm format, providing a panorama effect without masking the film or reducing image quality. This technique produced a panorama negative almost three times larger than traditional masking and over five times larger than that of APS cameras.[17] The XPan is now discontinued. Not sure this is really all that needed in the easy digital pano world. but it does have potential to streamline shooting pano.

08-22-2012, 07:31 AM	#11
Medium FormatPro Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Charleston & Pittsburgh Photos: Albums Posts: 1,668	Originally posted by maxfield_photo Honestly I don't think many medium format shooters will go for it Mamiya also releasing one that will work with all of the Phase backs - including the 80mp one (and somewhat into the future their 110mp back). The Mamiya one is geared more towards copy stand work and studio photo documentation, but not with live objects such as people or pets. And along with the linked Hasselblad in this article; it will be interesting to see what else makes news out of Germany in about a month or so. Hasselblad also working on two other mirrorless cameras; one is a digital version of a 903 swc. Also not sure how the second one fits into the picture (so to state), but the second one will basically be an all manual body - with both digital and film backs offered.

08-22-2012, 07:35 AM	#12
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	and leica will be showing the M10 supposedly (live view and Cmos and likely video if rumours are right)

08-22-2012, 09:09 AM	#13
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by eddie1960 the rumour is pretty strong that is is a mirrorless digital version of the Xpan hassy a great camera but never a huge seller (used ones still cost a bomb). it would be nice (and smart) if it took the same lenses though XPan 30mm Why is the sensor then not in panoramic size?

08-22-2012, 09:18 AM	#14
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Why is the sensor then not in panoramic size? no idea. but the x pan was a panorama camera. It would shoot either a standard 35mm frame (24x36) or a double wide frame (24x65) this could be a close digital equivalent being able to shoot 24x48 for instance - or 18x48 effectively cropping to a double wide apsc frame, or being capable of shooting a bigger than FF 4:3 frame since the old lenses had to cover the 65mm width in pano i imagine they have a big enough image circle to do this Is there even a 65mm wide sensor they could have sourced made??

08-22-2012, 09:25 AM	#15
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by eddie1960 no idea. but the x pan was a panorama camera. It would shoot either a standard 35mm frame (24x36) or a double wide frame (24x65) this could be a close digital equivalent being able to shoot 24x48 for instance - or 18x48 effectively cropping to a double wide apsc frame, or being capable of shooting a bigger than FF 4:3 frame since the old lenses had to cover the 65mm width in pano i imagine they have a big enough image circle to do this Is there even a 65mm wide sensor they could have sourced made?? This sounds cheap