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06-11-2013, 10:24 AM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
It is the sensor improvement tech I'm talking about. If players that were developing MF sensors are out of sensor game, like Kodak, what on Earth are you going to use in digital MF bodies for the future? 10 years old sensors? The development in sensor tech up to 135mm full frame is incredible, and MF counterparts don't match it easily. If the MF advantage is slipping away with each new year, who is going to use MF systems in general that have no future, or it is ridiculously expensive just to procure the sensor?

It is the same sensor technology. It is just about making a sensor subcontractor to make it. The question is about price but you can have no doubt that competitive sensors will come. New sensor technology comes in smaller sensors first cause thats where the volume is.
I sure Sony could make Pentax a MF sized sensor if they paid for it....
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Well there is also the old rumor that Hasselblad and Leica also need a new sensor and working together is an option.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Well there is also the old rumor that Hasselblad and Leica also need a new sensor and working together is an option.
Hmm. After the desaster with the DMR (Digital Modul R[camera]) - I don´t believe that there will be any cooperation
Leica - Hasselblad/Imacon. This path is burnt for a long time
Leica has today ("M" 240) his own sensor technology (fabriqué en France)
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QuoteOriginally posted by veraikon Quote
Leica has today ("M" 240) his own sensor technology (fabriqué en France)
This was the one that was rumored to make a new sensor for S-system and 645D with this French company. They don't compete with eachother I think, Leica and Pentax.

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Hmmm. So Adam created a K-500 forum in anticipation of the guessed June 13 date.... So K-50 and K-500 are guessed at before the announcement.

BUT there is no sub-forum for the 645DII ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
5 years? You mean five? That was an eternity even in film days. In 5 years, competitors who take 2-3 years cycle, conquer half the market and leaving you scratching your head ... I really hope those Pentax (US?) guys had no clue what they're talking about — as they usually do.

I mean, and I wonder, whether the Pentax Job Position Form lists the requirement "Must have intellectual capacity of a boiled potato".
Look at Nikon D1/2/3x/4 - If my memory serves me correctly there was about 5 years in between some of those and it's the top end of the market we should be comparing with NOT the consumer end - 600D 650D 700D/ D3100 D3200 etc etc. Entry level will always turn over quickly to get people in. It's all about marketing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by itshimitis Quote
Look at Nikon D1/2/3x/4 - If my memory serves me correctly there was about 5 years in between some of those and it's the top end of the market we should be comparing with NOT the consumer end - 600D 650D 700D/ D3100 D3200 etc etc. Entry level will always turn over quickly to get people in. It's all about marketing.
From D3, D3s, D3x, now to D4 .. only 4 years. 4 models in 4 years.
D3 was Nikon's first FF DSLR, and after it, they pushed forward, went really aggressive.

And you know why? Because they wanted to own the pro DSLR market. The perception of how a mountain is tall and worth climbing comes from the top. That little snow covered peak of pro photography stardom drives all desires. And they do own it now.

Nikon got it right, they understand photographer's market, they get how amateurs think, and from the FF DSLRs on top everyone is craving for, all things naturally fall in place below.

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canon 1ds mark 3 , new in 2008 , still never replaced or upgraded by canon........

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canon 1ds mark 3 , new in 2008 , still never replaced or upgraded by canon........
Despite the fact that there is 1D Mk4 and 1DX? And probably some new Pro baby coming later this year?
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1dx

actually , what i have said about the mark3 is a matter of my opinion, but yes, the canon reps would tell you that the 1dx is an upgrade for the 1ds mark 3, but i suppose this is becoming a conversation for another forum.......

on the 645D2 topic, i would say , more lenses before body upgrade !!! Now that i have the 90mm macro dfa, I want more lenses which make the most of the already great camera body. Since seeing the results of the 90mm I have sold three of my 67 primes and one 645 prime.

What i would like now is a 40mm f2.4 DFA SR HD lens...........
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
Despite the fact that there is 1D Mk4 and 1DX? And probably some new Pro baby coming later this year?
I don't think that 1DX is the same camera as 1DS series. It is something else - the 1Ds hasn't been upgraded since 1DsIII most Canon followers would argue.
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The 645DII is probably not far away. I will most likely be FF (645 FF that is ). The lack of FF 645 is a real problem because gettting a wide wide-angle for the current 645D cost $5000 and add 1kg weight to the system; a real hassle.
Expect at least 60mp. At least I do
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I'm expecting the new 645D MkII to be mirrorless between 60-80MP, have a FF crop mode and accept FF lenses.

This is my intuition at work (probably deluding me), but I would definitely consider selling my Nikon kit for such a camera.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bossa Quote
I'm expecting the new 645D MkII to be mirrorless between 60-80MP, have a FF crop mode and accept FF lenses.

This is my intuition at work (probably deluding me), but I would definitely consider selling my Nikon kit for such a camera.
I was speculating about a 60MP medium format sensor from Dalsa. In a 135 format crop mode, it would deliver us .. what .. 30 to 35 MP or so? Need to check the exact mm size of the 60MP sensor ...
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The above mentioned sensor from Dalsa and 135 format sensor:

MF –– 58.3 mm x 40.3 mm = 21.68 cm2.
135 format FF sensor –– 24 mm x 36 mm = 8.64 cm2.

Dalsa's MF sensor is 2.5x the area of the 135 format sensor.
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