Originally posted by MysteryOnion The cam that allows the shutter to fire should allow the first shot when the dial turns to the immediate dot after the zero/zed/orange O mark. If the lever is allowed to continue to the second dot, then a loose part is not matching up with that cam. This cam is cut and positioned to allow the shutter to engage and disengage for the first shot and if the selector is at 10 or 20 shots.
Some other questions...
1. Is every stroke of the lever the same or is it rough as you get to the first frame and smooth the rest... this question is especial referring to the rolls that are 9 shots.
2. Is it that the times associated with the blank frame one is that the sound of the shutter is different?
3. Does it seem that the blank frames coincides with times the P67 was not used for a great length of time?
4. When you advance and stop at frame 1, then you gently try to pull the lever and advance further that you hear a crunching sound?
5. Testing with an empty camera and setting it to dry fire, if you set the counter to 1,2,3 and no higher and then open the back after firing the shutter, does the counter lazily return back to the start position?
6. Does the counter show while the back is open that the start position is greater than at rest in the 12 o'clock position?
Thanks for the comments, the two 120/220 selectors are both set to '120', one of my problems is that the orange dot on the counter runs in-between the white lines and I'm not sure how to read it. The lever winds smoothly to the point where the end of the last 'loading' stroke where the tension comes on to cock the shutter - although on one occaision I seemed to recall it may have done this twice - my second roll so I wasn't familiar with the feel of it then. I'm still not sure of the feel and often think the roll has finished a shot earlier than it has - due to feeling/hearing some 'ripple' in the film as it nears the end.
My currently loaded film has had two shots (shutter releases), the orange dot is pretty much centred between the 2nd & 3rd white lines - is this counting 2 or 3?
As for MysteryOnion's other questions:
1) As the shutter cocks for the first time the tension comes on, all the others feel similar apart from the 'ripple' (mentioned above) when advancing from frame 9 - the tension then comes off as just the backing paper winds on.
2) Not noticably - I don't think it's the shutter not exposing the film.
3) No, the first 6 rolls went through in less than a week - only two were affected. Obviously the camera hadn't been used for a long until that point.
4) The few times I've tried it no.
5) & 6) Not sure - it's currently loaded.
I've figured out that at the end of the roll the frame counter stops counting when the backing paper is completely wound round the take-up spool. Therefore I should be able to see what it counts to at the end of a roll and that should indicate whether an extra blank frame has been wound-on before the first exposure - I need to start taking more detailed notes.
Part of my problem is unfamiliarity with the 'feel' for the advance and not taking enough notes as to what I expect my final frame to be. I think the shutter is always released ten times in a roll - just occaisionally the last one is after the film has finished.
Regards,
John.