Everything you've written remains subjective at this stage of the discussion.
Which in turn, means that there are no ways to ever settle anything under the current set of terms(sorry). Which is precisely why controlled testing becomes so vital in such cases.
To which I'd add, what does DxO Mark have to say on the D800E's tonal range vs the 645D?
That being said, I see little point in continuing down such a path myself given that your argument requires that we ignore measurement data in favor of your own views. Which isn't very likely to ever amount for anything beyond that of personal opinions.
However, I'd also add that I remain interested in seeing some controlled tests in the normal to telephoto range between both systems myself. Not so much, so as to defend any specific mount(ownership etc) but moreso along the lines of substantiating where the newer 36mp FF sensor stands in referance to the now older 40mp MF sensor.
Originally posted by jonny1986 well this sample n my opinion show exactly why I'm not at all impressed by the d800 and most of the glass. apart we don't have any crop in the corner so valuation are impossible...look my sample...the 3d the corner sharper the rendering the tone..the sky free of noise...
in your sample i se resolution and good dynamic...just this. they are k5 quality at 36 million pixel instead of 16.
i don't see 3d rendering depth.
in addiction the lens show ca even stopped down, and the 14 distortion is terrible, problem well known for the samyang. the d800 is an all around camera but for me the 645d and eventhe merril create an image quality that is not in the file of the cmos sony sensor....and i'm not talking about resolution, that is my last problem.
simply when i see the file ou posted they scream digital. the ccd file i see everyday have good transition between analog and digital...the sharpness and contrast of digital with the smooth transition of film.
Last edited by JohnBee; 11-11-2013 at 01:39 PM.