Originally posted by todd Really cool that you've pulled this off! The P6 Zeiss glass just as good as the Hassy Zeiss glass? I've been studying medium format for a bit now and have been trying to determine what my entry level path into it will be. Hassy/Zeiss IQ results always seem to wow me the most but I am not going to pay Hassy prices for the (at least to begin with) relatively minimal amount of MF shooting I will be doing. I won't go on tangent with all my considerations but will say that your Kiev88 alternative is interesting but first impression is it seems risky with the downside information you've given.
Hi, Todd: To my limited knowledge, the Carl Zeiss Jena glass is every bit as good as western Zeiss glass of the same vintage. I can't comment directly between the lenses, as I've never shot with Hasselblad, but I have four CZJ lenses, the 50mm Flektocon f4, the 80mm Biometar f2.8, the 120 Biometar f2.8, the 180 Sonnar 2.8 and I can shoot all day with these lenses. They do really have pixie dust and in my opinion have that 3D rendering and micro-contrast we currently associate with the FA limiteds. They are big and heavy lenses, full metal construction and they have the fit and finish of Takumars. The 180mm Sonnar comes from a pre-WWII design and the lens is about the same size as the camera body. But the bokeh and rendering is really, really wonderful. The 80mm is normal for the 6x6 format and it is just sweet in regard to size and performance. The 120mm is a portrait lens and the 50 is a standard wide. I can tell you I bought all four of these lenses for what a used 500 c body with a back and normal lens would have cost.
There is a lens called the Arsat 30mm fisheye that is legendary in regards to extreme fish eye. It is very closely compared to the 5000 dollar Hassy fish eye in terms of image quality, and only costs 250-300 on the used market. People comment that they bought a Kiev 88 CM simply to use this fisheye, it's so good.
In regard to quality control on the cameras, I wouldn't be afraid to buy new from known dealers who advertise new cameras that have been "CLAed". Again, you can buy from a place like ARAX camera (they are customer oriented and custom assemble your specific kit) or you can buy from several big volume ebay sellers in the Ukraine. Search for Kiev 88 on ebay and look for terms like "New, CLAed by Hartblei." Hartblei is another business that rebuilds these cameras and sells to middle men dealers. It's just easier to buy from an ebay dealer with Paypal and make sure the new camera has been inspected and CLAed. A new KIEV 88 body with a spot TTL viewfinder, waist level finder, 2-120 film backs, and a Arsat 80mm 2.8 lens will cost about 450 dollars from a dealer. The ARAX kits are much more expensive, but they basically custom build the cameras for you. But whatever you do, I'd discourage buying a used body off of ebay. Older used cameras haven't been rebuilt and could have significant problems.
Last note - if you're from North America, buying from the Ukraine is a bit scary. The seller will tell you 14-21 days, but that is very optimistic. Mine took a full month to arrive, and I would tell anyone to give their shipment 4 to 5 weeks to arrive before freaking out. But it arrived very well packed an in perfect shape.