50 MP CMOS 645DII coming?

gazonk · 01-22-2014, 03:06 AM

The new Hasselblad was mentioned in a comment in one of the other threads here, now Photorumors also speaks of a 50MP CMOS Phase One camera:

PhaseOne IQ250 coming soon with a.... new 50MP CMOS sensor | Photo Rumors

I've long wondered if the 645D mk 2 would get a CMOS Sony sensor. I think this may be an indication that it will. If the size of the sensor is about the same as in the current Hasselblad H5D-50 (36.7 x 49.1), the pixel density will be very close to the pixel density of a 24mp FF sensor, so the sensor could be expected to have similar low light capabilities to the D600. This would make the 645D mk2 incredibly good in low light!

Jonathan Mac · 01-22-2014, 03:41 AM

I think Pentax need a mark II 645D. They have done since the D800 came out and became the best value super-high-resolution option.

gazonk · 01-22-2014, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

I think Pentax need a mark II 645D. They have done since the D800 came out and became the best value super-high-resolution option.

Indeed they do, and it's almost certain that it comes this year. But so far, the specs have not been known at al. With the Hasselblad and PhaseOne leaks, the probability is getting quite high that the next 645D will have a 50mp CMOS sensor. It's also very likely that the sensor will be larger than the current, but so far the rumors say nothing about the size of the new 50mp sensor.

Adam G · 01-22-2014, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

It's also very likely that the sensor will be larger than the current

Why do you believe that?

Don't cite wishful thinking; it counts for naught.

pinholecam · 01-22-2014, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

I think Pentax need a mark II 645D. They have done since the D800 came out and became the best value super-high-resolution option.

645DII (50mp CMOS; LV Finder the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega, can mount any lens via adapter)

gazonk · 01-22-2014, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Adam G

Why do you believe that?

Don't cite wishful thinking; it counts for naught.

I admitted that the rumors say nothing about size in the part of the sentence that you didn't quote, but I still think its likely because I don't expect the Hasselblad H5D-50c to have a much smaller sensor than the current H5D-50.

Mistral75 · 01-22-2014, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by Adam G

Why do you believe that?

Don't cite wishful thinking; it counts for naught.

Current Hasselblad H5D-50 has a 36.7 x 49.1 mm CCD sensor (crop factor compared to 645 film bodies: 1.15x)

Phase One IQ250 will have a 6,208 x 8,280 pixels sensor:

6,208 x 8,280 pixels with the same pixel pitch as the sensor in Alpha 7 lead to a 37.1 x 49.4 mm sensor.

In comparison, Pentax 645D has a 32.9 x 43.9 mm sensor (crop factor compared to 645 film bodies: 1.28x).

Last edited by Mistral75; 01-22-2014 at 05:02 AM.

**interested_observer** · 01-22-2014, 05:59 AM

If the 645D were to remain with a CCD sensor, Truesense now has a 50MP sensor available. The new sensor is physically larger (49.1 mm (H) x 36.8 mm (V)) than the 40000 in the current 645D, while keeping the same pixel size. The matrix would go to 8176 x 6132 from 7304 x 5478.

KAF-50100 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc.
KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc.

Also, the new sensor....

Quote:

shares a common pin-out and electrical configuration with the KAF-40000 Image Sensor, allowing a single camera design to support both members of this sensor family.

The 50MP sensor has been announced and available for at least a year now. There is a full data sheet available on the link above.

jogiba · 01-22-2014, 06:08 AM - **1 Like**

So how many here would prefer a 645D II for about $10,000 or a full frame 36mp Pentax DSLR for about $2,300 with K mount to use with their full frame PK mount lenses ?

**interested_observer** · 01-22-2014, 06:13 AM - **1 Like**

I don't know if we have a choice or any input, since in one of the pronouncements from Ricoh that the new 645D would be coming out first..... Anyway, my wife would not look favorably on either acquisition.

Mistral75 · 01-22-2014, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by interested_observer

If the 645D were to remain with a CCD sensor, Truesense now has a 50MP sensor available. The new sensor is physically larger (49.1 mm (H) x 36.8 mm (V)) than the 40000 in the current 645D, while keeping the same pixel size. The matrix would go to 8176 x 6132 from 7304 x 5478.

KAF-50100 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc.
KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc.

(...)
The 50MP sensor has been announced and available for at least a year now. There is a full data sheet available on the link above.

Much, much more than that. Hasselblad H4D-50, which includes this sensor (then under the Kodak brand name) was announced on September 28th, 2009, more than four years ago.

That's part of the problem faced by medium format camera manufacturers: since the acquisition of Dalsa by Teledyne (December 2010) and that of Kodak's Image Sensor Solutions business by the private equity fund Platinum Equity (November 2011), no new sensor targeted to medium format cameras had been announced.

Until yesterday, that is.

eurostar · 01-22-2014, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by pinholecam

645DII (50mp CMOS; LV Finder the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega, can mount any lens via adapter)

Why "the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega?"

No LV finder at all and wireless feed to your tablet. It will cost a lot less for everybody, since everyone has a tablet ready to use.

RonHendriks1966 · 01-22-2014, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

So how many here would prefer a 645D II for about $10,000 or a full frame 36mp Pentax DSLR for about $2,300 with K mount to use with their full frame PK mount lenses ?

I guess not to many. I do think that when Pentax can use this cmos sensor for 645D it should bring it out as fast as possible. To be honest, they could just put it in the current 645D body and upgrade the electronics with all off the K-3 parts and be ready with it.

pinholecam · 01-22-2014, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

Why "the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega?"

No LV finder at all and wireless feed to your tablet. It will cost a lot less for everybody, since everyone has a tablet ready to use.

Just have a mount somewhere to mount your favourite Tablet... Winner!

Mistral75 · 01-22-2014, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I guess not to many. I do think that when Pentax can use this cmos sensor for 645D it should bring it out as fast as possible. To be honest, they could just put it in the current 645D body and upgrade the electronics with all off the K-3 parts and be ready with it.

It's not as easy as one could think. Hasselblad are currently struggling to finalise their H5D-50c event though they "just" have to replace the 50Mpix CCD sensor in their H5D-50 by a 50Mpix CMOS one.

01-22-2014, 03:06 AM	#1
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	50 MP CMOS 645DII coming? The new Hasselblad was mentioned in a comment in one of the other threads here, now Photorumors also speaks of a 50MP CMOS Phase One camera: PhaseOne IQ250 coming soon with a.... new 50MP CMOS sensor \| Photo Rumors I've long wondered if the 645D mk 2 would get a CMOS Sony sensor. I think this may be an indication that it will. If the size of the sensor is about the same as in the current Hasselblad H5D-50 (36.7 x 49.1), the pixel density will be very close to the pixel density of a 24mp FF sensor, so the sensor could be expected to have similar low light capabilities to the D600. This would make the 645D mk2 incredibly good in low light!

01-22-2014, 05:59 AM	#8
interested_observer Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tumbleweed, Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,707	If the 645D were to remain with a CCD sensor, Truesense now has a 50MP sensor available. The new sensor is physically larger (49.1 mm (H) x 36.8 mm (V)) than the 40000 in the current 645D, while keeping the same pixel size. The matrix would go to 8176 x 6132 from 7304 x 5478. KAF-50100 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc. KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc. Also, the new sensor.... Quote: shares a common pin-out and electrical configuration with the KAF-40000 Image Sensor, allowing a single camera design to support both members of this sensor family. The 50MP sensor has been announced and available for at least a year now. There is a full data sheet available on the link above. Last edited by interested_observer; 01-22-2014 at 06:07 AM.

01-22-2014, 06:27 AM	#11
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by interested_observer If the 645D were to remain with a CCD sensor, Truesense now has a 50MP sensor available. The new sensor is physically larger (49.1 mm (H) x 36.8 mm (V)) than the 40000 in the current 645D, while keeping the same pixel size. The matrix would go to 8176 x 6132 from 7304 x 5478. KAF-50100 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc. KAF-40000 - TRUESENSE 6.0-micron Full Frame CCD Platform - Technologies - Products - Truesense Imaging, Inc. (...) The 50MP sensor has been announced and available for at least a year now. There is a full data sheet available on the link above. Much, much more than that. Hasselblad H4D-50, which includes this sensor (then under the Kodak brand name) was announced on September 28th, 2009, more than four years ago. That's part of the problem faced by medium format camera manufacturers: since the acquisition of Dalsa by Teledyne (December 2010) and that of Kodak's Image Sensor Solutions business by the private equity fund Platinum Equity (November 2011), no new sensor targeted to medium format cameras had been announced. Until yesterday, that is.

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gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746 Original Poster	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac I think Pentax need a mark II 645D. They have done since the D800 came out and became the best value super-high-resolution option. Indeed they do, and it's almost certain that it comes this year. But so far, the specs have not been known at al. With the Hasselblad and PhaseOne leaks, the probability is getting quite high that the next 645D will have a 50mp CMOS sensor. It's also very likely that the sensor will be larger than the current, but so far the rumors say nothing about the size of the new 50mp sensor.

01-22-2014, 04:04 AM	#4
Adam G Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 143	Originally posted by gazonk It's also very likely that the sensor will be larger than the current Why do you believe that? Don't cite wishful thinking; it counts for naught.

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pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac I think Pentax need a mark II 645D. They have done since the D800 came out and became the best value super-high-resolution option. 645DII (50mp CMOS; LV Finder the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega, can mount any lens via adapter)

01-22-2014, 04:14 AM	#6
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746 Original Poster	Originally posted by Adam G Why do you believe that? Don't cite wishful thinking; it counts for naught. I admitted that the rumors say nothing about size in the part of the sentence that you didn't quote, but I still think its likely because I don't expect the Hasselblad H5D-50c to have a much smaller sensor than the current H5D-50.

01-22-2014, 04:24 AM	#7
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by Adam G Why do you believe that? Don't cite wishful thinking; it counts for naught. Current Hasselblad H5D-50 has a 36.7 x 49.1 mm CCD sensor (crop factor compared to 645 film bodies: 1.15x) Phase One IQ250 will have a 6,208 x 8,280 pixels sensor: 6,208 x 8,280 pixels with the same pixel pitch as the sensor in Alpha 7 lead to a 37.1 x 49.4 mm sensor. In comparison, Pentax 645D has a 32.9 x 43.9 mm sensor (crop factor compared to 645 film bodies: 1.28x). Last edited by Mistral75; 01-22-2014 at 05:02 AM.

01-22-2014, 06:08 AM - 1 Like	#9
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	So how many here would prefer a 645D II for about $10,000 or a full frame 36mp Pentax DSLR for about $2,300 with K mount to use with their full frame PK mount lenses ?

01-22-2014, 06:13 AM - 1 Like	#10
interested_observer Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tumbleweed, Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,707	I don't know if we have a choice or any input, since in one of the pronouncements from Ricoh that the new 645D would be coming out first..... Anyway, my wife would not look favorably on either acquisition.

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eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by pinholecam 645DII (50mp CMOS; LV Finder the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega, can mount any lens via adapter) Why "the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega?" No LV finder at all and wireless feed to your tablet. It will cost a lot less for everybody, since everyone has a tablet ready to use.

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RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by jogiba So how many here would prefer a 645D II for about $10,000 or a full frame 36mp Pentax DSLR for about $2,300 with K mount to use with their full frame PK mount lenses ? I guess not to many. I do think that when Pentax can use this cmos sensor for 645D it should bring it out as fast as possible. To be honest, they could just put it in the current 645D body and upgrade the electronics with all off the K-3 parts and be ready with it.

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01-22-2014, 06:54 AM	#14
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by eurostar Why "the size of a Samsung Galaxy Mega?" No LV finder at all and wireless feed to your tablet. It will cost a lot less for everybody, since everyone has a tablet ready to use. Just have a mount somewhere to mount your favourite Tablet... Winner!

01-22-2014, 07:10 AM	#15
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I guess not to many. I do think that when Pentax can use this cmos sensor for 645D it should bring it out as fast as possible. To be honest, they could just put it in the current 645D body and upgrade the electronics with all off the K-3 parts and be ready with it. It's not as easy as one could think. Hasselblad are currently struggling to finalise their H5D-50c event though they "just" have to replace the 50Mpix CCD sensor in their H5D-50 by a 50Mpix CMOS one.