645D II hi-ISO low noises?

i83N · 02-16-2014, 01:20 PM

CMOS sensor of this size even if it's 50mp> will produse incredibly detailed hi-ISO images with low noise, or am I wrong?

Adam · 02-16-2014, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by i83N

CMOS sensor of this size even if it's 50mp> will produse incredibly detailed hi-ISO images with low noise, or am I wrong?

I would hope so! If the camera's going to come out before the end of spring as they're promising, then I guess we'll know very soon.

i83N · 02-16-2014, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Adam

I would hope so! If the camera's going to come out before the end of spring as they're promising, then I guess we'll know very soon.

can’t wait (;

FrankC · 02-16-2014, 01:47 PM

So CP+ 2014 is now over and Pentax didn't make an official announcement for the 645D II or the new lens. Looks like Pentax's marketing team fell asleep at the switch.

VisualDarkness · 02-16-2014, 01:49 PM

They should send one to Banjamin Kanarek (maybe win him back?) and Ron Henricks (for his awesome sports work with the old model) to review it.

Adam · 02-16-2014, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by FrankC

So CP+ 2014 is now over and Pentax didn't make an official announcement for the 645D II or the new lens. Looks like Pentax's marketing team fell asleep at the switch.

The new 645D was a "reference exhibition" (aka a prototype). It will be officially announced this spring, they said.

atlnq9 · 02-16-2014, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by i83N

CMOS sensor of this size even if it's 50mp> will produse incredibly detailed hi-ISO images with low noise, or am I wrong?

Yes it is very good. You can already see files around from the Phase One back using the same sensor. It should avail bile for sale very soon from what I am hearing.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-16-2014, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by VisualDarkness

They should send one to Banjamin Kanarek (maybe win him back?) and Ron Henricks (for his awesome sports work with the old model) to review it.

Thanks for quoting me. Well using hi-iso dose make a difference.

I took last year the 645D also with me to a Muah Thai fightnight, and only the 55mm lens with me.

In 2012 a serie with lots off equipement:
645D userreview with 85 images

Well as far as I know it is the combination off larger sensor and large pixels that will give great low noise with hi iso.

Looking at the performance for the current camera's:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7R-versus-Nikon-D4-versus-Canon-EOS-1Dx___917_767_753

So I guess that when the difference between aps-c and full frame is the same as between 645D and full frame comparing sensor size then the sports low light hi iso performance will be around iso 5000 in this same messurement. Unless offcourse there is a new technological advantage created that is not yet present in current sensors. If so, maybe the new D4s will get that same boost. Even so there will be more noise coming in at hi iso, but maybe even iso 25.600 will be very well to clean up.

calsan · 02-16-2014, 06:15 PM

At the risk of starting off a FF topic or similar…

I would assume the 645 would have less noise because the lenses are bigger and cover a larger area - area of light being important, not pixel size. Bigger lenses and area to cover = larger diameter aperture 'hole' on the 645. So the diameter of the opening at f/4 (say) on 645 will be larger meaning more actual light on the sensor than f/4 with 35mm or APS or compact at f/4 which would have a very small 'hole' at f/4.

I don't buy into the larger pixels theory, partly because each new generation of camera I've had has had smaller pixels than the camera before, yet also less noise.

hajiaru · 02-17-2014, 11:25 AM

For the CP+ Pentax Ricoh Special Talk, Mr Tanaka Nozomi revealed:
The new 645D will be 40 - 50 MP (as expected), SAFOX XI AF module, frame rate 3 FPS, highest ISO 102400 or 204800, shutter life circle 100,000, live view (movie function possible), USB 3.0 support for tethered shooting, and price less than 10,000 USD. Release date in mid April 2014

And the source (Japanese):
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html

VoiceOfReason · 02-17-2014, 12:46 PM

I wonder how low it will go.

i83N · 02-17-2014, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by VoiceOfReason

I wonder how low it will go.

160 maybe 200

itshimitis · 02-17-2014, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by hajiaru

For the CP+ Pentax Ricoh Special Talk, Mr Tanaka Nozomi revealed:
The new 645D will be 40 - 50 MP (as expected), SAFOX XI AF module, frame rate 3 FPS, highest ISO 102400 or 204800, shutter life circle 100,000, live view (movie function possible), USB 3.0 support for tethered shooting, and price less than 10,000 USD. Release date in mid April 2014

And the source (Japanese):
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html

At less than 10k I will sell my D800 (still have the E) and I'd be VERY interested. Of course UK prices will be the same in £ as in $ as it was with the original. There's a reason the expression Rip off Britain is made. It goes for jeans etc too. Levi's took a supermarket to court for selling 501's too cheap.

Vaards · 02-17-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by hajiaru

For the CP+ Pentax Ricoh Special Talk, Mr Tanaka Nozomi revealed:
The new 645D will be 40 - 50 MP (as expected), SAFOX XI AF module, frame rate 3 FPS, highest ISO 102400 or 204800, shutter life circle 100,000, live view (movie function possible), USB 3.0 support for tethered shooting, and price less than 10,000 USD. Release date in mid April 2014

And the source (Japanese):
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html

It`s sounds so superpromising, that I hope to get one used 645d for 3500 USD till summer!

atlnq9 · 02-17-2014, 06:32 PM

Where do I preorder? I can't believe it is less than 10k!

02-16-2014, 01:20 PM	#1
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Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,594	Originally posted by i83N CMOS sensor of this size even if it's 50mp> will produse incredibly detailed hi-ISO images with low noise, or am I wrong? I would hope so! If the camera's going to come out before the end of spring as they're promising, then I guess we'll know very soon. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

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Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,594	Originally posted by FrankC So CP+ 2014 is now over and Pentax didn't make an official announcement for the 645D II or the new lens. Looks like Pentax's marketing team fell asleep at the switch. The new 645D was a "reference exhibition" (aka a prototype). It will be officially announced this spring, they said. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

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02-16-2014, 01:43 PM	#3
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203 Original Poster	Originally posted by Adam I would hope so! If the camera's going to come out before the end of spring as they're promising, then I guess we'll know very soon. can’t wait (;

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FrankC Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Photos: Gallery Posts: 322	So CP+ 2014 is now over and Pentax didn't make an official announcement for the 645D II or the new lens. Looks like Pentax's marketing team fell asleep at the switch.

02-16-2014, 01:49 PM	#5
VisualDarkness Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,439	They should send one to Banjamin Kanarek (maybe win him back?) and Ron Henricks (for his awesome sports work with the old model) to review it.

02-16-2014, 01:55 PM	#7
atlnq9 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Arizona Photos: Albums Posts: 330	Originally posted by i83N CMOS sensor of this size even if it's 50mp> will produse incredibly detailed hi-ISO images with low noise, or am I wrong? Yes it is very good. You can already see files around from the Phase One back using the same sensor. It should avail bile for sale very soon from what I am hearing.

02-16-2014, 02:34 PM	#8
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by VisualDarkness They should send one to Banjamin Kanarek (maybe win him back?) and Ron Henricks (for his awesome sports work with the old model) to review it. Thanks for quoting me. Well using hi-iso dose make a difference. I took last year the 645D also with me to a Muah Thai fightnight, and only the 55mm lens with me. In 2012 a serie with lots off equipement: 645D userreview with 85 images Well as far as I know it is the combination off larger sensor and large pixels that will give great low noise with hi iso. Looking at the performance for the current camera's: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7R-versus-Nikon-D4-versus-Canon-EOS-1Dx___917_767_753 So I guess that when the difference between aps-c and full frame is the same as between 645D and full frame comparing sensor size then the sports low light hi iso performance will be around iso 5000 in this same messurement. Unless offcourse there is a new technological advantage created that is not yet present in current sensors. If so, maybe the new D4s will get that same boost. Even so there will be more noise coming in at hi iso, but maybe even iso 25.600 will be very well to clean up.

02-16-2014, 06:15 PM	#9
calsan Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,548	At the risk of starting off a FF topic or similar… I would assume the 645 would have less noise because the lenses are bigger and cover a larger area - area of light being important, not pixel size. Bigger lenses and area to cover = larger diameter aperture 'hole' on the 645. So the diameter of the opening at f/4 (say) on 645 will be larger meaning more actual light on the sensor than f/4 with 35mm or APS or compact at f/4 which would have a very small 'hole' at f/4. I don't buy into the larger pixels theory, partly because each new generation of camera I've had has had smaller pixels than the camera before, yet also less noise.

02-17-2014, 11:25 AM	#10
hajiaru Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3	For the CP+ Pentax Ricoh Special Talk, Mr Tanaka Nozomi revealed: The new 645D will be 40 - 50 MP (as expected), SAFOX XI AF module, frame rate 3 FPS, highest ISO 102400 or 204800, shutter life circle 100,000, live view (movie function possible), USB 3.0 support for tethered shooting, and price less than 10,000 USD. Release date in mid April 2014 And the source (Japanese): http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html

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VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I wonder how low it will go.

02-17-2014, 02:29 PM	#12
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203 Original Poster	Originally posted by VoiceOfReason I wonder how low it will go. 160 maybe 200

02-17-2014, 03:34 PM	#13
itshimitis Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: All over the place Posts: 3,535	Originally posted by hajiaru For the CP+ Pentax Ricoh Special Talk, Mr Tanaka Nozomi revealed: The new 645D will be 40 - 50 MP (as expected), SAFOX XI AF module, frame rate 3 FPS, highest ISO 102400 or 204800, shutter life circle 100,000, live view (movie function possible), USB 3.0 support for tethered shooting, and price less than 10,000 USD. Release date in mid April 2014 And the source (Japanese): http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html At less than 10k I will sell my D800 (still have the E) and I'd be VERY interested. Of course UK prices will be the same in £ as in $ as it was with the original. There's a reason the expression Rip off Britain is made. It goes for jeans etc too. Levi's took a supermarket to court for selling 501's too cheap.

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Vaards Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Helsinki Posts: 94	Originally posted by hajiaru For the CP+ Pentax Ricoh Special Talk, Mr Tanaka Nozomi revealed: The new 645D will be 40 - 50 MP (as expected), SAFOX XI AF module, frame rate 3 FPS, highest ISO 102400 or 204800, shutter life circle 100,000, live view (movie function possible), USB 3.0 support for tethered shooting, and price less than 10,000 USD. Release date in mid April 2014 And the source (Japanese): http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html It`s sounds so superpromising, that I hope to get one used 645d for 3500 USD till summer!

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atlnq9 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Arizona Photos: Albums Posts: 330	Where do I preorder? I can't believe it is less than 10k!