Originally posted by mikeSF wait, are you saying that when it was answered earlier in this thread that the 645Z has the ability to turn off the dark frame subtraction for exposures longer than 30sec, that information was UNTRUE?
presently, with the 645D, all exposures longer than 30sec are immediately followed by a dark frame exposure of same duration, which is not selectable.
The K-cameras allow this to be turned off.
ok, what is the true answer?
thanks
To answer, like what itshimitis , it is dependant on your scene or luck. I haven't had it do dark frame subtraction until high ISOs. I apologise for the confusion initially.
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Originally posted by Ed Hurst It seems to me that two different issues are becoming confused here, leading to the advice being (no doubt unintentionally) erroneous. The camera has two noise reduction functions - one for high ISO and one for long exposures. They are independent of each other. My question (and I believe the interest shown by others here) relates to the latter. The advice that noise reduction can simply be turned off seems to relate to the former. It's unfortunate that this misunderstanding took place as it has very important implications for anyone wishing to shoot star trails and the like with the camera - which requires long exposure noise reduction to be reliably and consistently turned off. I fear the advice may have led purchasing decisions down the wrong path.
That said, all may not be lost. Since the 645Z does seem to be more forgiving - and does not fire a dark frame as readily - it may be that there is a zone of exposure lengths / temperatures in which a dark frame will not be fired at all (even after a large number of consecutive frames has been fired) - including situations in which the 645D does fire a dark frame; knowing what that zone is would be most useful! But it remains a pity that we cannot simply turn the function off - and that the above confusion seems to have taken place.
Initially what was asked was a comparison for 30s or greater. I did 30s and 1 minute.
Ed, I know it is two different things. But I experimented and realised had this observation. When I did long exposures at low ISOs, there didn't seem to be that dark frame subtraction. I have gone up to about 10 minutes at ISO 100 with nothing at all. However, when I tried that at higher ISOs, it would do with a long exposure.
Left it at ON and went back to the other function and played around with it. The one for high ISO and set those to off (from 100-3200). And at higher isos (even up to 1600), it did not appear to compensate with a dark frame. So I guess there must be some algorithm with the scene where the 645Z decide to fire a dark frame, maybe the ISO sensitivity plays a part as well.
Again, this dark frame firing could happen after a sequence of 2-3 long exposures where the camera needs to "cool down".