Originally posted by Edgar_in_Indy I would also have no problem recommending Pentax cameras. But would you give the same advise without reservations for Pentax lenses? What about $1000+ lenses with SDM and a 1-year warranty? And what about $5000 lenses that may not be able to be repaired in a reasonable time frame?
If I was giving honest advise to someone, I would probably warn them about the SDM situation and possible repair issues, just so they know what they may be getting into. Not that it's likely that the worst will happen, but it's certainly a distinct possibility.
As a potential future 645Z owner I'm trying to watch this thread with a level head.
I've only been with the brand since the K10D, and had no complaints with Canadian service, but have had little reason to use it for the last few years. There was a thread elsewhere here about the Canadian service department recently blowing chunks, however.
Since I still have one of the pre-2012 designed 50-135's, the focus mechanism failure it showed (four times) is that the quick shift clutch slips, and both AF
and MF won't work. So the OP's 25mm - if it can still MF - must be a different design. And AFAIK they did change the 50-135 and the issue just stopped happening. I see other companies aren't exactly batting a thousand with their lenses, so it's not like HSM/SDM/yadda yadda is as bulletproof as screwdrive.
Given that I lived through having a $1000 lens break down, I did reach the point of just buying a replacement from another company (Sigma). I don't think that it's unreasonable, depending on the working agreement, to expect the photographer to show up with primary, backup, and oh-s..t gear (I do). I guess what I'm saying is that $1000 isn't too expensive a lens to have two of, but it shouldn't break down on it's own either.
But a $5000 lens? That's a different story. It should be fixed 'now'. And by 'now' I mean "Right Now". Think of it this way... would it really make any difference if it was $5500 instead of $5000? Probably not. So take the $500 difference to get priority service, and if the fix is going be longer than 48 hours, send a loaner or ask if a rental is needed
the same day.
When I was much younger I worked for Xerox, and logistics are not rocket science. There is no way that they wait to 'send a box of' a certain part... there are usually daily shipments from the depots to the repair centers, and the smallest grapplegrommet goes in the overnight box with everything else, so shipping costs become negligible. And this was 20 years ago.
To me it sounds more like there is a big clusterpickle with training of the outsourcer. No customer service training, no managers training / experience, insufficient technical training to deal with the lens and very possibly a very poorly written contract with Ricoh. BTW, we lived through similar things at the big X, too. Almost sunk the company.
I think I'm saying that it sounds like I'm not going to be buying a 25mm anytime soon. As in 'ever'. And I might be giving the other 645 SDM's some additional research before purchasing.
I might be ok with the 645Z body, but knowing that this is happening with Canadian service - that gives me pause. It's probably cheaper (and more fun) to fly to Japan to buy it. Do they get a 2 year warranty there? I've been looking for an excuse to go...
And to the poster that wondered if anyone from head office was reading this? Probably not. I'm betting that social media monitoring goes to the intern pool, and even if they spoke/read some english, there are enough variations of regional english, bad grammar, and slang posted here to make both Webster and Roget choke.