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xpixel · 10-10-2014, 05:25 AM

Are you satisfied with the new image transmitter 2 software for the 645z or are there better solutions?

chomsky · 10-10-2014, 02:34 PM

I don't think there are any other solutions at the moment. Several people, myself included, have emailed the Phase One team asking for 645z support; hopefully they will add it soon. Personally I'm going to wait a little while to see if they add support so I don't have to pay $250 for the IT2 software.

obsoquasi · 10-10-2014, 05:31 PM

I've browsed through the manual for the IT2 software and had a bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong and it works great. Because I think this will be the only solution for the 645z. C1 and LR, we wish, not gonna happen. Neither has ever supported Pentax cameras. Fingers crossed.

kp0c · 10-10-2014, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by chomsky

I don't think there are any other solutions at the moment. Several people, myself included, have emailed the Phase One team asking for 645z support; hopefully they will add it soon. Personally I'm going to wait a little while to see if they add support so I don't have to pay $250 for the IT2 software.

Wait, they make you pay for the software? Didn't you purchase a 10 000$ camera from them? What is wrong with Ricoh, seriously? (Don't get me wrong, I love my camera and lenses and whatnot, but I don't get the 250$ price tag for teetering ability on a 10 000$ camera. Maybe it's just me).

chomsky · 10-11-2014, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by kp0c

Wait, they make you pay for the software? Didn't you purchase a 10 000$ camera from them? What is wrong with Ricoh, seriously? (Don't get me wrong, I love my camera and lenses and whatnot, but I don't get the 250$ price tag for teetering ability on a 10 000$ camera. Maybe it's just me).

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. I assume the bulk of the cost is the pay for all the hours of coding that went into making the program. They also must think if someone can afford the $8,500 body they should have no problem shelling out another $250, they're definitely taking the piss.

rawr · 10-11-2014, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by chomsky

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous.

Not that ridiculous. Nikon charges about $150 for it's tethering software, even if buyers may be spending over $5000 for some Nikons.

But since Lightroom and Capture One already offer Nikon tethering for free, Nikon would have an even harder job, I imagine, getting people to buy their software than Pentax. At least Pentax currently has a monopoly on tethering for 645Z to [sort of] justify their price.

chomsky · 10-11-2014, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Not that ridiculous. Nikon charges about $150 for it's tethering software, even if buyers may be spending over $5000 for some Nikons.

But since Lightroom and Capture One already offer Nikon tethering for free, Nikon would have an even harder job, I imagine, getting people to buy their software than Pentax. At least Pentax currently has a monopoly on tethering for 645Z to [sort of] justify their price.

True. Hopefully some existing software like LR or C1 will start supporting the 645z, though I seriously doubt it.

**Ed Hurst** · 10-12-2014, 06:35 PM

I agree with the view that charging for this is taking the urine. Sort of contributes to a perception that this camera is the bargain basement end of MF digital. It's a super product which I love - this sort of thing just leaves a bad taste. Even if monopoly power lets them get away with it...

texandrews · 10-13-2014, 05:13 AM

I'm perfectly happy with paying for this software. Seems like it's an accessory, like other accessories. My concern is that it works well, just the same as my concern with any accessory/lens/ etc, and beyond that that the price is fair.

snapper99 · 10-13-2014, 10:49 AM

Now I'm using it in anger with Lightroom on a new MacBook Pro and I'm getting full screen previews (on my second screen) in about 6-8 secs from pressing the button. Still not as lovely as Capture One, but it'll do. I'll do a proper timing tomorrow.

dougpeterson · 10-13-2014, 02:49 PM

Phase One (makers of Capture One) do not support any medium format solutions other than their own Phase One and Mamiya Leaf solutions.

chomsky · 10-13-2014, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by dougpeterson

Phase One (makers of Capture One) do not support any medium format solutions other than their own Phase One and Mamiya Leaf solutions.

Currently, yes. Hoping that will change.

dougpeterson · 10-14-2014, 10:36 AM

That's what I'm saying - it will not change.

If you want a Medium Format Solution which works with the easy to use, robust, feature-rich, rock solid, fast tethering and raw processing provided by Phase One's Capture One you'll need to buy a Team Phase One medium format solution (Phase One or Leaf). The integration between their hardware and software was a major part of the Phase One project.

I'm not making any comment about the Pentax 645Z positive or negative here, just clarifying that it does not and will not integrate with Capture One.

(disclaimer/credential - I work at the largest Phase One dealer in the world, Digital Transitions.)

Martelli · 10-15-2014, 02:57 PM

Okay, now I have the camera, i've been playing around with it a bit. Image Transfer 2 is a very simple program but saying that I'm not disappointed with it. Live view works extremely well and it will be great when i'm in the studio playing around with lighting and seeing it live directly on a monitor. IT2 for some strange reason has a prefixed size so you can't separate/ change size of the view window. There are no options to select the images you previously took for example. You should consider IT2 as a gateway to direct your files into folder and for live view. You can control the camera too with various options.

Interestingly, I directed my RAW DNG's to Capture One's (v.7), capture folder and the images showed up in the C1 preview. I would not use C1 for processing as the yellows looked green. But using C1 for tethering is possible. This means I can view my images, checking exposure, focus etc while IT2 runs in the background directing the file to the capture folder. The images took 4 seconds to show, I would say. IT2 took 2 seconds. And that is with just USB 2! I will buy a USB 3 cable and see if that improves the transfer rate. I guess the best bet if you didn't want to use DNG but PEF Raw's is to use Digital Camera Utility 5 that comes with the camera or import them on the fly to Lightroom. Which on the down side takes time (8 sec's plus)... But I can't see any reason why Lightroom wouldn't work with DNG RAW, directing them into a folder and for Lightroom to instantly read. But then I've never used Lightroom, just C1 for viewing and then editing/ processing in photoshop.

Tomorrow I will set up some studio lighting and tether the camera and see how it'll cope in a working environment. IT2 did crash once, so it will be interesting to see if the program holds up.

Martelli · 10-16-2014, 03:06 AM

Here is an example of Image Transmitter 2 working (tethering) in conjunction with Capture One Pro (V7) using RAW DNG. As you can see the colours are off but if like me, you are only interested in viewing the images via C1 but processing with another application, it's really working very well and fast! I will try with Lightroom now.

10-10-2014, 05:25 AM	#1
xpixel New Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 19	Who is already using image transmitter 2? Are you satisfied with the new image transmitter 2 software for the 645z or are there better solutions?

10-14-2014, 10:36 AM	#13
dougpeterson New Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4	That's what I'm saying - it will not change. If you want a Medium Format Solution which works with the easy to use, robust, feature-rich, rock solid, fast tethering and raw processing provided by Phase One's Capture One you'll need to buy a Team Phase One medium format solution (Phase One or Leaf). The integration between their hardware and software was a major part of the Phase One project. I'm not making any comment about the Pentax 645Z positive or negative here, just clarifying that it does not and will not integrate with Capture One. (disclaimer/credential - I work at the largest Phase One dealer in the world, Digital Transitions.) Last edited by Tom S.; 10-14-2014 at 12:07 PM. Reason: Links to his work related site removed.

10-15-2014, 02:57 PM	#14
Martelli Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Berlin Posts: 23	Okay, now I have the camera, i've been playing around with it a bit. Image Transfer 2 is a very simple program but saying that I'm not disappointed with it. Live view works extremely well and it will be great when i'm in the studio playing around with lighting and seeing it live directly on a monitor. IT2 for some strange reason has a prefixed size so you can't separate/ change size of the view window. There are no options to select the images you previously took for example. You should consider IT2 as a gateway to direct your files into folder and for live view. You can control the camera too with various options. Interestingly, I directed my RAW DNG's to Capture One's (v.7), capture folder and the images showed up in the C1 preview. I would not use C1 for processing as the yellows looked green. But using C1 for tethering is possible. This means I can view my images, checking exposure, focus etc while IT2 runs in the background directing the file to the capture folder. The images took 4 seconds to show, I would say. IT2 took 2 seconds. And that is with just USB 2! I will buy a USB 3 cable and see if that improves the transfer rate. I guess the best bet if you didn't want to use DNG but PEF Raw's is to use Digital Camera Utility 5 that comes with the camera or import them on the fly to Lightroom. Which on the down side takes time (8 sec's plus)... But I can't see any reason why Lightroom wouldn't work with DNG RAW, directing them into a folder and for Lightroom to instantly read. But then I've never used Lightroom, just C1 for viewing and then editing/ processing in photoshop. Tomorrow I will set up some studio lighting and tether the camera and see how it'll cope in a working environment. IT2 did crash once, so it will be interesting to see if the program holds up. Last edited by Martelli; 10-15-2014 at 10:21 PM.

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10-10-2014, 02:34 PM	#2
chomsky New Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 10	I don't think there are any other solutions at the moment. Several people, myself included, have emailed the Phase One team asking for 645z support; hopefully they will add it soon. Personally I'm going to wait a little while to see if they add support so I don't have to pay $250 for the IT2 software.

10-10-2014, 05:31 PM	#3
obsoquasi New Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Zurich Posts: 19	I've browsed through the manual for the IT2 software and had a bad feeling. I hope I'm wrong and it works great. Because I think this will be the only solution for the 645z. C1 and LR, we wish, not gonna happen. Neither has ever supported Pentax cameras. Fingers crossed.

10-10-2014, 06:31 PM	#4
kp0c Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery Posts: 761	Originally posted by chomsky I don't think there are any other solutions at the moment. Several people, myself included, have emailed the Phase One team asking for 645z support; hopefully they will add it soon. Personally I'm going to wait a little while to see if they add support so I don't have to pay $250 for the IT2 software. Wait, they make you pay for the software? Didn't you purchase a 10 000$ camera from them? What is wrong with Ricoh, seriously? (Don't get me wrong, I love my camera and lenses and whatnot, but I don't get the 250$ price tag for teetering ability on a 10 000$ camera. Maybe it's just me).

10-11-2014, 04:07 AM	#5
chomsky New Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 10	Originally posted by kp0c Wait, they make you pay for the software? Didn't you purchase a 10 000$ camera from them? What is wrong with Ricoh, seriously? (Don't get me wrong, I love my camera and lenses and whatnot, but I don't get the 250$ price tag for teetering ability on a 10 000$ camera. Maybe it's just me). Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. I assume the bulk of the cost is the pay for all the hours of coding that went into making the program. They also must think if someone can afford the $8,500 body they should have no problem shelling out another $250, they're definitely taking the piss.

10-11-2014, 06:54 AM	#6
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by chomsky Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. Not that ridiculous. Nikon charges about $150 for it's tethering software, even if buyers may be spending over $5000 for some Nikons. But since Lightroom and Capture One already offer Nikon tethering for free, Nikon would have an even harder job, I imagine, getting people to buy their software than Pentax. At least Pentax currently has a monopoly on tethering for 645Z to [sort of] justify their price.

10-11-2014, 09:10 AM	#7
chomsky New Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 10	Originally posted by rawr Not that ridiculous. Nikon charges about $150 for it's tethering software, even if buyers may be spending over $5000 for some Nikons. But since Lightroom and Capture One already offer Nikon tethering for free, Nikon would have an even harder job, I imagine, getting people to buy their software than Pentax. At least Pentax currently has a monopoly on tethering for 645Z to [sort of] justify their price. True. Hopefully some existing software like LR or C1 will start supporting the 645z, though I seriously doubt it.

10-12-2014, 06:35 PM	#8
Ed Hurst Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,657	I agree with the view that charging for this is taking the urine. Sort of contributes to a perception that this camera is the bargain basement end of MF digital. It's a super product which I love - this sort of thing just leaves a bad taste. Even if monopoly power lets them get away with it...

10-13-2014, 05:13 AM	#9
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,399	I'm perfectly happy with paying for this software. Seems like it's an accessory, like other accessories. My concern is that it works well, just the same as my concern with any accessory/lens/ etc, and beyond that that the price is fair.

10-13-2014, 10:49 AM	#10
snapper99 Junior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 31	Now I'm using it in anger with Lightroom on a new MacBook Pro and I'm getting full screen previews (on my second screen) in about 6-8 secs from pressing the button. Still not as lovely as Capture One, but it'll do. I'll do a proper timing tomorrow.

10-13-2014, 02:49 PM	#11
dougpeterson New Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4	Phase One (makers of Capture One) do not support any medium format solutions other than their own Phase One and Mamiya Leaf solutions.

10-13-2014, 06:59 PM	#12
chomsky New Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 10	Originally posted by dougpeterson Phase One (makers of Capture One) do not support any medium format solutions other than their own Phase One and Mamiya Leaf solutions. Currently, yes. Hoping that will change.

10-16-2014, 03:06 AM	#15
Martelli Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Berlin Posts: 23	Here is an example of Image Transmitter 2 working (tethering) in conjunction with Capture One Pro (V7) using RAW DNG. As you can see the colours are off but if like me, you are only interested in viewing the images via C1 but processing with another application, it's really working very well and fast! I will try with Lightroom now.

Who is already using image transmitter 2?

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