A new game changer?

xpixel · 02-03-2015, 07:01 AM - **1 Like**

Canon EOS 5DS and EF 11-24mm f/4L detailed specifications, 1DC price drop | Photo Rumors

More lenses and full tethering...

Or maybe the 645z will be cheaper in the future

normhead · 02-03-2015, 07:05 AM - **2 Likes**

Everything is a possible game changer, until you use it. Then usually it isn't.

**Digitalis** · 02-03-2015, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Everything is a possible game changer

...to those who don't even know what the game is.

**RuiC** · 02-03-2015, 08:17 AM

Maybe there's a built-in EasterEgg !!!

redcat · 02-03-2015, 08:35 AM

full frame vs medium format ?

DeadJohn · 02-03-2015, 08:43 AM

Theoretical cameras are often perfect. Then the real thing comes out and we see a good but not "game changing" camera.

btnapa · 02-03-2015, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by xpixel

Canon EOS 5DS and EF 11-24mm f/4L detailed specifications, 1DC price drop | Photo Rumors

More lenses and full tethering...

Or maybe the 645z will be cheaper in the future

More pixels for sure but of what quality?

I am waiting for the Sony announcement for a similar sensor with high MP. If the quality checks out, my guess is that 645z will have some real, low cost competition.

Canon will give us more lens options. However, Sony mirror less will give us option to use our Pentax lenses and a bunch more bargain lenses. Unless Pentax surprises us with the same sensor in a DSLR body or maybe even a mirrorless.

stevebrot · 02-03-2015, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by xpixel

Or maybe the 645z will be cheaper in the future

...or the new Canon will be priced close to the 645Z...

Steve

Na Horuk · 02-03-2015, 09:55 AM

This just makes me wonder what Pentax will do.

Not a Number · 02-03-2015, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

This just makes me wonder what Pentax will do.

Go under more quickly? For certain PentaxIsDooomed™.

normhead · 02-03-2015, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Na Horuk

This just makes me wonder what Pentax will do.

Originally posted by Not a Number

Go under more quickly? For certain PentaxIsDooomed™.

I always wonder what Pentax will do.... this doesn't change that.

SeattleDucks · 02-04-2015, 08:21 AM

The 50mp Canon 5Ds will be the right choice for many, and I may eventually pick one up as a secondary system depending on how it tests out. But the subtleties of higher image quality for large fine art prints will keep me shooting the larger 645Z sensor as my main landscape camera. I also greatly prefer the aesthetics of a 4:3 aspect ratio for my work, and cropping into a 3:2 ratio file is no substitute.

btnapa · 02-04-2015, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by SeatleDucks

The 50mp Canon 5Ds will be the right choice for many, and I may eventually pick one up as a secondary system depending on how it tests out. But the subtleties of higher image quality for large fine art prints will keep me shooting the larger 645Z sensor as my main landscape camera. I also greatly prefer the aesthetics of a 4:3 aspect ratio for my work, and cropping into a 3:2 ratio file is no substitute.

I was ready to make the jump to the 645Z. However, with this new development, I am going to wait and see how the Canon and the upcoming Sony 50MP test against the 645Z. The Canon is less appealing for me as it requires a whole bunch of new lenses. The Sony ML is more compelling as it allows me to use my current Pentax and other manual lenses

You made a good point on the aspect ratio. I am trying to warm up to the 4:3 ratio. Given equal pixels between 3:2 DSLR/ML and 4:3 MF, if you crop the 4:3 to 3:2 you lose resolution making the contest tighter. And if you crop 3:2 to 4:3 aspect ratio then the DSLR loses by a good margin.

normhead · 02-04-2015, 01:56 PM

Since for a standard frame you're cropping to 4x5 even the 4:3 costs you resolution, the 3:2 costs you even more. Unless of course you are printing 6x4s, and you hardly need 50 MP to print a 3x6. 30x40 canvasses on the other hand a re quite common, for 3x4 printing.

672 · 02-04-2015, 06:29 PM

Great! All the folks who havent seen the light of a 44x33 mm sensor can run out and get new Canons , pentax will freak out, lower the Z price and I will get a second Z !

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02-03-2015, 07:05 AM - 2 Likes	#2
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Everything is a possible game changer, until you use it. Then usually it isn't.

02-03-2015, 07:47 AM	#3
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by normhead Everything is a possible game changer ...to those who don't even know what the game is.

02-03-2015, 08:17 AM	#4
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Maybe there's a built-in EasterEgg !!!

02-03-2015, 08:35 AM	#5
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939	full frame vs medium format ?

02-03-2015, 08:43 AM	#6
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	Theoretical cameras are often perfect. Then the real thing comes out and we see a good but not "game changing" camera.

02-03-2015, 08:56 AM	#7
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,616	Originally posted by xpixel Canon EOS 5DS and EF 11-24mm f/4L detailed specifications, 1DC price drop \| Photo Rumors More lenses and full tethering... Or maybe the 645z will be cheaper in the future More pixels for sure but of what quality? I am waiting for the Sony announcement for a similar sensor with high MP. If the quality checks out, my guess is that 645z will have some real, low cost competition. Canon will give us more lens options. However, Sony mirror less will give us option to use our Pentax lenses and a bunch more bargain lenses. Unless Pentax surprises us with the same sensor in a DSLR body or maybe even a mirrorless.

02-03-2015, 09:27 AM	#8
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by xpixel Or maybe the 645z will be cheaper in the future ...or the new Canon will be priced close to the 645Z... Steve

02-03-2015, 09:55 AM	#9
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	This just makes me wonder what Pentax will do.

02-03-2015, 11:57 AM	#10
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by Na Horuk This just makes me wonder what Pentax will do. Go under more quickly? For certain PentaxIsDooomed™.

02-03-2015, 12:01 PM	#11
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Na Horuk This just makes me wonder what Pentax will do. Originally posted by Not a Number Go under more quickly? For certain PentaxIsDooomed™. I always wonder what Pentax will do.... this doesn't change that.

02-04-2015, 08:21 AM	#12
SeattleDucks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: throughout the US Posts: 79	The 50mp Canon 5Ds will be the right choice for many, and I may eventually pick one up as a secondary system depending on how it tests out. But the subtleties of higher image quality for large fine art prints will keep me shooting the larger 645Z sensor as my main landscape camera. I also greatly prefer the aesthetics of a 4:3 aspect ratio for my work, and cropping into a 3:2 ratio file is no substitute.

02-04-2015, 08:53 AM	#13
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,616	Originally posted by SeatleDucks The 50mp Canon 5Ds will be the right choice for many, and I may eventually pick one up as a secondary system depending on how it tests out. But the subtleties of higher image quality for large fine art prints will keep me shooting the larger 645Z sensor as my main landscape camera. I also greatly prefer the aesthetics of a 4:3 aspect ratio for my work, and cropping into a 3:2 ratio file is no substitute. I was ready to make the jump to the 645Z. However, with this new development, I am going to wait and see how the Canon and the upcoming Sony 50MP test against the 645Z. The Canon is less appealing for me as it requires a whole bunch of new lenses. The Sony ML is more compelling as it allows me to use my current Pentax and other manual lenses You made a good point on the aspect ratio. I am trying to warm up to the 4:3 ratio. Given equal pixels between 3:2 DSLR/ML and 4:3 MF, if you crop the 4:3 to 3:2 you lose resolution making the contest tighter. And if you crop 3:2 to 4:3 aspect ratio then the DSLR loses by a good margin.

02-04-2015, 01:56 PM	#14
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Since for a standard frame you're cropping to 4x5 even the 4:3 costs you resolution, the 3:2 costs you even more. Unless of course you are printing 6x4s, and you hardly need 50 MP to print a 3x6. 30x40 canvasses on the other hand a re quite common, for 3x4 printing.

02-04-2015, 06:29 PM	#15
672 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: santa monica Photos: Gallery Posts: 486	Great! All the folks who havent seen the light of a 44x33 mm sensor can run out and get new Canons , pentax will freak out, lower the Z price and I will get a second Z !