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10-26-2015, 06:07 PM   #1
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LS or No?

I need a 165 lens for the 6x7. I'm looking at a real nice late LS lens primarily if I decided I want to do any future studio work I can sync at 125 or greater. That's not in stone, however. If you had an option would it be a better choice over the standard SMC 165 lens just due to the sync capability?

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For me the LS was the choice because it was better in macro work and landscapes due to its f/32 ability. The synch difference was not important to me. I have always liked the LS optical design type which is what was used in the Leica reflex cameras with great success. The LS is also a rather small, compact lens for its focal length.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ColColt Quote
I need a 165 lens for the 6x7. I'm looking at a real nice late LS lens primarily if I decided I want to do any future studio work I can sync at 125 or greater. That's not in stone, however. If you had an option would it be a better choice over the standard SMC 165 lens just due to the sync capability?
The faster LS sync speed is of more use outdoors than indoors. For studio work the 1/30 is fine with any portrait 6x7 lens like the regular 165/2.8.

Also take a look at the older Takumar 6x7 150/2.8, it's a real gem.

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I have a 165 LS in mint condition which I would like to sell. This week will be up on eBay. I have the 645 Z and I have the smaller 135 LS. Thats better for me. Both are great lenses, but the 135 LS lighter and faster with two f stops.

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I did a studio class last year initially with out the165 LS, but when I got it, it was just really essential in the studio. Really gave me more options that just 1/30th.
10-27-2015, 08:24 AM   #6
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The faster LS sync speed is of more use outdoors than indoors. For studio work the 1/30 is fine with any portrait 6x7 lens like the regular 165/2.8.
I didn't find that to work out for me and went to the higher shutter speed via the LS. I had several ghost images using 1/30. That was primarily why I bought the first LS lens and was doing all studio/weddings with the 90 and 165 LS lens. It worked great and no more ghosting.
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QuoteOriginally posted by blackcloudbrew Quote
I did a studio class last year initially with out the165 LS, but when I got it, it was just really essential in the studio. Really gave me more options that just 1/30th.
QuoteOriginally posted by ColColt Quote
I didn't find that to work out for me and went to the higher shutter speed via the LS. I had several ghost images using 1/30. That was primarily why I bought the first LS lens and was doing all studio/weddings with the 90 and 165 LS lens. It worked great and no more ghosting.
I have taken a couple studio classes as well and did start with the 165/4 LS. But with still subjects, I found the 165/2.8. 150/2.8 and the 200/4 more useful.

I'm in the same camp as Steve (desertscape) and find the 165/4 LS more useful outdoors for landscape or flash work.

Either way the 165/4 LS a must have in my books.

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QuoteOriginally posted by gofour3 Quote
I have taken a couple studio classes as well and did start with the 165/4 LS. But with still subjects, I found the 165/2.8. 150/2.8 and the 200/4 more useful.

I'm in the same camp as Steve (desertscape) and find the 165/4 LS more useful outdoors for landscape or flash work.

Either way the 165/4 LS a must have in my books.

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Yes, my studio class was with still subjects.

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I didn't do much fill flash outside with the 165 LS lens-mostly studio portraits and did a fair share of weddings with both it and the 90 lens. Both are superb lens for your repertoires of 6x7 lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ColColt Quote
Both are superb lens for your repertoires of 6x7 lens.
+1

But I find it's getting harder to find a clean working 90/2.8 LS, as they are getting pretty old by now.

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I have a good one and keeping it! I have the non-LS 90 as well...shorter, lighter and as sharp or better.
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The 165 LS is a beautiful lens and a different optical design from the the 165/2.8 if I recall correctly.
I have been extremely pleased with the performance of my copy I have used it extensively for both landscape and portrait work, the LS feature is very useful in certain applications, but I have come to value it for its optica properties rather than the LS feature.
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The one I had when I was dong much studio/weddings was superb. Like many other things I shouldn't have let it get away. These two scanned photos don't do the negative and original prints justice.


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QuoteOriginally posted by ColColt Quote
The one I had when I was dong much studio/weddings was superb.
Nice portraits!

Here is a shot from the 165/4 LS and a single strobe + clear center, soft focus filter. As mentioned, under conditions like this with no ambient light you can get away with 1/30 flash sync real easy but it's also nice to know you have more sync options. Especially if you like to mix ambient (eg window light) with a fill flash in the studio too kind of a thing.

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I like that a lot...very nice. What film were you using? I still have the Sailwind Pro Vignetta Matte Bellows outfit I used long ago for the 6x7 and several Tiffen Warm/Soft FX Soft Focus filters.
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