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Gyroscope · 10-28-2015, 10:49 PM - **6 Likes**

I bought a 645z and 28-45 a few months ago and it has changed the way I do landscape photography. I never could have dreamed I could have gotten a photo like this (that was shot 3 stops underexposed to retain sky detail) while I was shooting Canon. Who needs HDR when you have DR like this? Before and after images follow.

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quant2325 · 10-28-2015, 11:30 PM

Impressive.

pixie · 10-29-2015, 12:51 AM

Yep, the DR on the Z seems/is amazing. Wow on what you pulled out of the shadows.

Kolor-Pikker · 10-29-2015, 01:01 AM

I had the same initial impression too. I've tried shooting some HDRs on the Z since it has a nice bracketing implementation, but haven't had a good reason to actually blend the shots over just recovering the shadows on one of them.

bertwert · 10-29-2015, 08:12 AM

Good shot and welcome to the forum!

**The Madshutter** · 10-29-2015, 08:19 AM

Welcome to the forum! Great first post, the 645z surely has a lot of DR and headroom to recover details in the shadow

normhead · 10-29-2015, 08:55 AM

That's the problem for me with the 645z, as much as I can't afford it, I can't stop myself from wanting it. You're not helping.

Make me feel better, post some crappy pictures.

bertwert · 10-29-2015, 09:13 AM

One other thing Gyroscope...
You've got more likes than posts!
Good job

tuco · 10-29-2015, 01:14 PM

Be careful. Even the 645Z is susceptible to a brown and/or blue cast when you pull up your low values too much resulting in that "Sony digital look". The ability to pull up low values on the Z is not much different than other 35mm format Sony sensors on their camera, Nikon and Ricoh.

normhead · 10-29-2015, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by tuco

Be careful. Even the 645Z is susceptible to a brown and/or blue cast when you pull up your low values too much resulting in that "Sony digital look". The ability to pull up low values on the Z is not much different than other 35mm format Sony sensors on their camera, Nikon and Ricoh.

SO, what sensors would be better?

tuco · 10-29-2015, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by normhead

SO, what sensors would be better?

None. I'm saying don't pull up low values up too much. I think everyone has experienced what happens who edit RAW files. And Canon users who finally get a Sony sensor get on line and say, wow.

Gyroscope · 10-29-2015, 07:08 PM

Thanks for all comments! In general I think it is not ideal to shoot so underexposed and pull back the shadows but in this situation there really was no other option. I was shooting with a GND as well but that wasn't enough. HDR would have been near impossible because of water and cloud movement and I've never much liked the HDR process or been very good at it. I guess the point is the 645z enables me to get shots that weren't possible before. I agree that we have to be careful not to push the shadows too much. Natural scenes need some shadows and contrast. I am just amazed at the quality of this image. I bought this camera for doing big prints and I have one on my wall at 1200mmx900mm. I am confident that the above image would easily print to that size with no visible noise. Needless to say I'm a fan of the Z!

I'll try and post here regularly

Kolor-Pikker · 10-30-2015, 12:40 AM

I've never seen any color shifts when recovering the shadows... well, certainly nothing like on my Canon, which basically turned everything green at higher ISO.

2351HD · 10-30-2015, 01:59 AM

My thoughts sometimes are: what's wrong with a few blown highlights, especially when the sun is involved. Why not expose with a touch of blown highlights on a scene like this and have less shadows to recover.

A contrasty scene like that is just the same when seeing it in person sometimes.

Just a thought.

We are all so hooked on the perfect histogram. I am not saying however that it should be like that all the time.

**Rondec** · 10-30-2015, 02:32 AM

Very nice. The photo is beautiful, regardless of the sensor. You did an excellent job capturing the scene.

10-29-2015, 01:14 PM	#9
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,026	Be careful. Even the 645Z is susceptible to a brown and/or blue cast when you pull up your low values too much resulting in that "Sony digital look". The ability to pull up low values on the Z is not much different than other 35mm format Sony sensors on their camera, Nikon and Ricoh. Last edited by tuco; 10-29-2015 at 01:34 PM.

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quant2325 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 205	Impressive.

10-29-2015, 12:51 AM	#3
pixie Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 873	Yep, the DR on the Z seems/is amazing. Wow on what you pulled out of the shadows.

10-29-2015, 01:01 AM	#4
Kolor-Pikker Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 344	I had the same initial impression too. I've tried shooting some HDRs on the Z since it has a nice bracketing implementation, but haven't had a good reason to actually blend the shots over just recovering the shadows on one of them.

10-29-2015, 08:12 AM	#5
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Good shot and welcome to the forum!

10-29-2015, 08:19 AM	#6
The Madshutter Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Tuscany, Italy Posts: 1,255	Welcome to the forum! Great first post, the 645z surely has a lot of DR and headroom to recover details in the shadow

10-29-2015, 08:55 AM	#7
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	That's the problem for me with the 645z, as much as I can't afford it, I can't stop myself from wanting it. You're not helping. Make me feel better, post some crappy pictures.

10-29-2015, 09:13 AM	#8
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	One other thing Gyroscope... You've got more likes than posts! Good job

10-29-2015, 01:51 PM	#10
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by tuco Be careful. Even the 645Z is susceptible to a brown and/or blue cast when you pull up your low values too much resulting in that "Sony digital look". The ability to pull up low values on the Z is not much different than other 35mm format Sony sensors on their camera, Nikon and Ricoh. SO, what sensors would be better?

10-29-2015, 02:11 PM	#11
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,026	Originally posted by normhead SO, what sensors would be better? None. I'm saying don't pull up low values up too much. I think everyone has experienced what happens who edit RAW files. And Canon users who finally get a Sony sensor get on line and say, wow.

10-29-2015, 07:08 PM	#12
Gyroscope Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 166 Original Poster	Thanks for all comments! In general I think it is not ideal to shoot so underexposed and pull back the shadows but in this situation there really was no other option. I was shooting with a GND as well but that wasn't enough. HDR would have been near impossible because of water and cloud movement and I've never much liked the HDR process or been very good at it. I guess the point is the 645z enables me to get shots that weren't possible before. I agree that we have to be careful not to push the shadows too much. Natural scenes need some shadows and contrast. I am just amazed at the quality of this image. I bought this camera for doing big prints and I have one on my wall at 1200mmx900mm. I am confident that the above image would easily print to that size with no visible noise. Needless to say I'm a fan of the Z! I'll try and post here regularly

10-30-2015, 12:40 AM	#13
Kolor-Pikker Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 344	I've never seen any color shifts when recovering the shadows... well, certainly nothing like on my Canon, which basically turned everything green at higher ISO.

10-30-2015, 01:59 AM	#14
2351HD Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brisbane, Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 750	My thoughts sometimes are: what's wrong with a few blown highlights, especially when the sun is involved. Why not expose with a touch of blown highlights on a scene like this and have less shadows to recover. A contrasty scene like that is just the same when seeing it in person sometimes. Just a thought. We are all so hooked on the perfect histogram. I am not saying however that it should be like that all the time.

10-30-2015, 02:32 AM	#15
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Very nice. The photo is beautiful, regardless of the sensor. You did an excellent job capturing the scene.