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bcoelho · 01-26-2016, 04:11 AM

Hi!

Many thanks for all your feedback.

I will most probably follow the opinion of the majority and get the 645Z. I thinks that's the wisest.

Best regards!
Baldomero

**mattb123** · 01-26-2016, 08:14 AM

I'd get the lens because landscape and portraits don't need the Z features that much. Sure those are great features but a lens covering a FL you can't currently cover will give more return for that investment IMO. But neither is probably a big mistake, so enjoy whatever you decide!

desertdiver · 01-26-2016, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by mattb123

I'd get the lens because landscape and portraits don't need the Z features that much. Sure those are great features but a lens covering a FL you can't currently cover will give more return for that investment IMO. But neither is probably a big mistake, so enjoy whatever you decide!

I second that!

**The Madshutter** · 01-26-2016, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by mattb123

I'd get the lens because landscape and portraits don't need the Z features that much. Sure those are great features but a lens covering a FL you can't currently cover will give more return for that investment IMO. But neither is probably a big mistake, so enjoy whatever you decide!

Well, the 645z has live view, very useful for landscapes, tilting screen that could sometimes come handy when shooting with the camera very low on the ground, and handles long exposures much better than the 645d, which to me are the biggest plusses for landscape that the Z has over the D... to me, they make it worth the upgrade alone, but of course YMMV...

In the end, I think he is bound to end happy whichever way he decides to go

desertdiver · 01-26-2016, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by The Madshutter

If you are mainly a landscape photographer and you don't need the 55mm's f/2.8 aperture for other types of photography, I'd sell the 645D, 35mm and 55mm and buy the 645z and 28-45mm to replace them all (if your budget allows with the help of the three sales). 645z, 28-45mm, 75mm and 150mm (perhaps replacing the 150mm with the 120 macro, if you find it, to add some macro capability to your kit shall you need it) is a dream kit for the landscape photographer. That's the kit I am taking with me next week going to the south-west U.S.A.

Although a bit besides the topic, sorry for that! Have a good and save trip Vieri and always the best light

Best regards, Udo

dShelly · 01-26-2016, 08:44 AM

Go with the camera body. You have plenty of lenses that will suit your purposes. And if you really want that lens, sell your other lenses and then buy the new zoom you're interested in.

**The Madshutter** · 01-26-2016, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by desertdiver

Although a bit besides the topic, sorry for that! Have a good and save trip Vieri and always the best light

Best regards, Udo

Thank you very much Udo!

Looking forward to be on the road again!

Best,

Vieri

SeattleDucks · 01-26-2016, 09:33 AM

You can make a strong case for either decision. If it was me I would let it be driven by what I feel is most lacking in my current setup: am I often trying to make a composition that requires a wider angle than what the 35mm lens gives? Or am I finding I often need more dynamic range for contrasty scenes? Or am I craving much better high ISO capabilities so I can easily shoot at 1600 or even 3200 in order to use a fast enough shutter speed to stop the movement of leaves and grasses in locations where wind almost never lets up? Or am I needing more critical focusing capabilities with telephoto lenses that having Live View would provide?

I used the 645D shooting landscapes in America fulltime for about 6 months and it performed very well for me at base ISO. But as I often photograph trees in autumn or wildflowers in spring, wind is a huge factor and requires decently fast shutter speeds as well as generous depth of field, but higher ISO's were not usable for me on the D (I do not like the look of the noise in the D files above ISO 100, and I print up to 60" wide where it's apparent). A smaller percentage of the time I exceeded the dynamic range of the D's sensor so that became a factor as well. I use only the 645Z now and it has solved those issues for me.

I do not 'see' in very wide angle as I look for compositions in the field, so the 35mm lens has worked fine for me as my widest optic. But there are a few times where a specific scene really demanded a wider field of view, and for that I wish I had the 28-45mm or the 25mm available.

Cheers,
Ross

Tom S. · 01-26-2016, 01:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by The Madshutter

If you are mainly a landscape photographer and you don't need the 55mm's f/2.8 aperture for other types of photography, I'd sell the 645D, 35mm and 55mm and buy the 645z and 28-45mm to replace them all (if your budget allows with the help of the three sales). 645z, 28-45mm, 75mm and 150mm (perhaps replacing the 150mm with the 120 macro, if you find it, to add some macro capability to your kit shall you need it) is a dream kit for the landscape photographer. That's the kit I am taking with me next week going to the south-west U.S.A.

This was pretty much along my line of thinking, although I was thinking more of buying the 645z, selling the 645D and 35mm lens and keeping the 55mm. Put the proceeds from selling the D and 35 towards the 28-45mm.

In either case, I'd have to sell my first born to afford the 645z. If anyone's interested, pm me.

bcoelho · 01-26-2016, 02:12 PM

You are all fantastic! Many thanks for your advice!

I have kind of made up my mind. Leaning towards the Z as I mentioned before... Mainly because of the versatility it offers. Lens are always the most important for me, but after seeing the kind of results the Z can produce, it's very hard not to feel tempted by it.

Regards to you all!
Baldomero

**mattb123** · 01-26-2016, 02:29 PM - **2 Likes**

I'll probably get a Z after the Z II comes out.

texandrews · 01-26-2016, 02:40 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bcoelho

You are all fantastic! Many thanks for your advice!

I have kind of made up my mind. Leaning towards the Z as I mentioned before... Mainly because of the versatility it offers. Lens are always the most important for me, but after seeing the kind of results the Z can produce, it's very hard not to feel tempted by it.

Regards to you all!
Baldomero

I also think that's a good decision. It is very true that in landscape and other types of work iso 100 can be all you need----until you've actually used a Z, that is. The flexibility the camera offers with its brilliant high iso performance (and you don't need to be shooting at iso 6400 to appreciate it, because the sensor's capabilities gives you great performance at modest iso's, like 200, 400 and 800...), plus other upgraded features from the D, will really improve your shooting experience with the lens set you already have.

brelip · 01-31-2016, 09:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bcoelho

Hi there!

I currently own a Pentax 645D with the following lenses:

A 35mm f/3.5
D-FA 55mm f/2.8
FA 75mm f/2.8
A 150mm f/3.5

I am primarily a landscape photographer (also very keen on portraits).

Being so, I was considering to get the DA 28-45mm zoom, but what if I kept my current lens setup and opted for the 645Z instead? It would be more or less the same price. The new Z seems to be a huge step forward from the D...

Many thanks in advance for your thoughts and opinions!

Kind regards,
Baldomero

28-45mm is one of the best wide angle ever created for any system. The perspective it gives is just mind blowing. For landscapes, how can you live without it? You can buy all the Z's in the world and it will not give you the perspective you want.

acarlay · 02-07-2016, 11:13 AM - **1 Like**

You can make any images shine on whatever camera you own -- it's the upgrade myth everyone falls into the trap.. i would get the lens..

rfkiii · 02-08-2016, 04:18 PM - **1 Like**

Been sitting here for a few minutes weighing my answer. I say find a way to buy both.

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01-26-2016, 04:11 AM	#16
bcoelho New Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 17 Original Poster	Hi! Many thanks for all your feedback. I will most probably follow the opinion of the majority and get the 645Z. I thinks that's the wisest. Best regards! Baldomero

01-26-2016, 08:14 AM	#17
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,874	I'd get the lens because landscape and portraits don't need the Z features that much. Sure those are great features but a lens covering a FL you can't currently cover will give more return for that investment IMO. But neither is probably a big mistake, so enjoy whatever you decide!

01-26-2016, 08:18 AM	#18
desertdiver Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 25	Originally posted by mattb123 I'd get the lens because landscape and portraits don't need the Z features that much. Sure those are great features but a lens covering a FL you can't currently cover will give more return for that investment IMO. But neither is probably a big mistake, so enjoy whatever you decide! I second that!

01-26-2016, 08:26 AM	#19
The Madshutter Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Tuscany, Italy Posts: 1,255	Originally posted by mattb123 I'd get the lens because landscape and portraits don't need the Z features that much. Sure those are great features but a lens covering a FL you can't currently cover will give more return for that investment IMO. But neither is probably a big mistake, so enjoy whatever you decide! Well, the 645z has live view, very useful for landscapes, tilting screen that could sometimes come handy when shooting with the camera very low on the ground, and handles long exposures much better than the 645d, which to me are the biggest plusses for landscape that the Z has over the D... to me, they make it worth the upgrade alone, but of course YMMV... In the end, I think he is bound to end happy whichever way he decides to go

01-26-2016, 08:37 AM	#20
desertdiver Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 25	Originally posted by The Madshutter If you are mainly a landscape photographer and you don't need the 55mm's f/2.8 aperture for other types of photography, I'd sell the 645D, 35mm and 55mm and buy the 645z and 28-45mm to replace them all (if your budget allows with the help of the three sales). 645z, 28-45mm, 75mm and 150mm (perhaps replacing the 150mm with the 120 macro, if you find it, to add some macro capability to your kit shall you need it) is a dream kit for the landscape photographer. That's the kit I am taking with me next week going to the south-west U.S.A. Although a bit besides the topic, sorry for that! Have a good and save trip Vieri and always the best light Best regards, Udo

01-26-2016, 08:44 AM	#21
dShelly Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 73	Go with the camera body. You have plenty of lenses that will suit your purposes. And if you really want that lens, sell your other lenses and then buy the new zoom you're interested in.

01-26-2016, 09:06 AM	#22
The Madshutter Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Tuscany, Italy Posts: 1,255	Originally posted by desertdiver Although a bit besides the topic, sorry for that! Have a good and save trip Vieri and always the best light Best regards, Udo Thank you very much Udo! Looking forward to be on the road again! Best, Vieri

01-26-2016, 09:33 AM	#23
SeattleDucks Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: throughout the US Posts: 79	You can make a strong case for either decision. If it was me I would let it be driven by what I feel is most lacking in my current setup: am I often trying to make a composition that requires a wider angle than what the 35mm lens gives? Or am I finding I often need more dynamic range for contrasty scenes? Or am I craving much better high ISO capabilities so I can easily shoot at 1600 or even 3200 in order to use a fast enough shutter speed to stop the movement of leaves and grasses in locations where wind almost never lets up? Or am I needing more critical focusing capabilities with telephoto lenses that having Live View would provide? I used the 645D shooting landscapes in America fulltime for about 6 months and it performed very well for me at base ISO. But as I often photograph trees in autumn or wildflowers in spring, wind is a huge factor and requires decently fast shutter speeds as well as generous depth of field, but higher ISO's were not usable for me on the D (I do not like the look of the noise in the D files above ISO 100, and I print up to 60" wide where it's apparent). A smaller percentage of the time I exceeded the dynamic range of the D's sensor so that became a factor as well. I use only the 645Z now and it has solved those issues for me. I do not 'see' in very wide angle as I look for compositions in the field, so the 35mm lens has worked fine for me as my widest optic. But there are a few times where a specific scene really demanded a wider field of view, and for that I wish I had the 28-45mm or the 25mm available. Cheers, Ross

01-26-2016, 01:58 PM - 1 Like	#24
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Originally posted by The Madshutter If you are mainly a landscape photographer and you don't need the 55mm's f/2.8 aperture for other types of photography, I'd sell the 645D, 35mm and 55mm and buy the 645z and 28-45mm to replace them all (if your budget allows with the help of the three sales). 645z, 28-45mm, 75mm and 150mm (perhaps replacing the 150mm with the 120 macro, if you find it, to add some macro capability to your kit shall you need it) is a dream kit for the landscape photographer. That's the kit I am taking with me next week going to the south-west U.S.A. This was pretty much along my line of thinking, although I was thinking more of buying the 645z, selling the 645D and 35mm lens and keeping the 55mm. Put the proceeds from selling the D and 35 towards the 28-45mm. In either case, I'd have to sell my first born to afford the 645z. If anyone's interested, pm me.

01-26-2016, 02:12 PM	#25
bcoelho New Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 17 Original Poster	You are all fantastic! Many thanks for your advice! I have kind of made up my mind. Leaning towards the Z as I mentioned before... Mainly because of the versatility it offers. Lens are always the most important for me, but after seeing the kind of results the Z can produce, it's very hard not to feel tempted by it. Regards to you all! Baldomero

01-26-2016, 02:29 PM - 2 Likes	#26
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,874	I'll probably get a Z after the Z II comes out.

01-26-2016, 02:40 PM - 1 Like	#27
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,400	Originally posted by bcoelho You are all fantastic! Many thanks for your advice! I have kind of made up my mind. Leaning towards the Z as I mentioned before... Mainly because of the versatility it offers. Lens are always the most important for me, but after seeing the kind of results the Z can produce, it's very hard not to feel tempted by it. Regards to you all! Baldomero I also think that's a good decision. It is very true that in landscape and other types of work iso 100 can be all you need----until you've actually used a Z, that is. The flexibility the camera offers with its brilliant high iso performance (and you don't need to be shooting at iso 6400 to appreciate it, because the sensor's capabilities gives you great performance at modest iso's, like 200, 400 and 800...), plus other upgraded features from the D, will really improve your shooting experience with the lens set you already have.

01-31-2016, 09:58 PM - 1 Like	#28
brelip Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Dallas, TX Photos: Albums Posts: 71	Originally posted by bcoelho Hi there! I currently own a Pentax 645D with the following lenses: A 35mm f/3.5 D-FA 55mm f/2.8 FA 75mm f/2.8 A 150mm f/3.5 I am primarily a landscape photographer (also very keen on portraits). Being so, I was considering to get the DA 28-45mm zoom, but what if I kept my current lens setup and opted for the 645Z instead? It would be more or less the same price. The new Z seems to be a huge step forward from the D... Many thanks in advance for your thoughts and opinions! Kind regards, Baldomero 28-45mm is one of the best wide angle ever created for any system. The perspective it gives is just mind blowing. For landscapes, how can you live without it? You can buy all the Z's in the world and it will not give you the perspective you want.

02-07-2016, 11:13 AM - 1 Like	#29
acarlay Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 90	You can make any images shine on whatever camera you own -- it's the upgrade myth everyone falls into the trap.. i would get the lens..

02-08-2016, 04:18 PM - 1 Like	#30
rfkiii Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 130	Been sitting here for a few minutes weighing my answer. I say find a way to buy both.

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