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04-14-2016, 12:46 PM   #16
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there has to be a huge precedent for this, all I've kept hearing over the last year is how much film is slowly fading out and how photographers are literally hoarding Contax bodies,

we all know that digital sensors are getting better year on year, there isn't a huge difference in dynamic range between film and digital these days and I assume there is a significant number of photographers who would seriously consider moving over if Ricoh does go for it.

Just imagine the Pentax colours and bokeh at f2

Getting me excited just thinking about it.

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I totally agree. The film photographer of the wedding crowd who swear by the Contax 80 f2 will go crazy over this.
A similar 80mm f2 or 80f1.9 DFA lens will rock that industry.
I followed Contax 645 group and some have done comparison using Contax 80f2 and Pentax FA75f2.8 / 105f2.4, to me, the Contax gave a special pleasant look.


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you can have that right now. just MF only.
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The only problem I see is that Pentax's new lens price targets are a bit high so far. As much as I want a fast prime for Pentax I might balk at a $4000+ price tag. The 90mm is way over priced IMO. I'm not sure why the 90 is so expensive while the 55 and 35 are so comparably affordable... The 28-45 I can understand as it's got SR and is probably best in class.
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Personally I would rather see a 21mm f2.8 (or even f2.4), but that reflects my usage (not interested in narrow depth of field portraits but want medium format wide view star shots at relatively low ISO).

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The only problem I see is that Pentax's new lens price targets are a bit high so far. As much as I want a fast prime for Pentax I might balk at a $4000+ price tag. The 90mm is way over priced IMO. I'm not sure why the 90 is so expensive while the 55 and 35 are so comparably affordable... The 28-45 I can understand as it's got SR and is probably best in class.
The 28-45 is a gorgeous lens, I bought that the week it released and the sharpness is stonking. True it's not as fast as some people need but that SR works brilliantly. I batter the lens almost weekly and it just keeps on going. I want the 90mm but as you say, it's too overpriced for what it is. I jumped to the 150 as I rarely do macro and that's another brilliant lens for the money (used).

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QuoteOriginally posted by Ed Hurst Quote
Personally I would rather see a 21mm f2.8 (or even f2.4), but that reflects my usage (not interested in narrow depth of field portraits but want medium format wide view star shots at relatively low ISO).
21mm, this i would get first, but there is room in my bag for a nice fast portrait lens
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If there is a fast prime lens (has to be a good one, of course), like the Mamiya 645 80/1.9, then 645z will draw more attention from the astrophotography community.
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QuoteOriginally posted by whwang Quote
If there is a fast prime lens (has to be a good one, of course), like the Mamiya 645 80/1.9, then 645z will draw more attention from the astrophotography community.
I would expect that the uncorrected aberrations that serve to render a pleasing bokeh for portraiture would make it less than attractive for astro unless it was stopped down....thus losing the advantage of being fast.

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I would expect that the uncorrected aberrations that serve to render a pleasing bokeh for portraiture would make it less than attractive for astro unless it was stopped down....thus losing the advantage of being fast.

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You're probably right, Bob, so we need a bokeh beast at portrait length and a corrected fast super wide lens. Not much to ask, hey? ;-)
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given the hi-iso performance of the Z f 2.8 should be enough. how about we hear from some old timers as to how they handled weddings in the old days.
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given the hi-iso performance of the Z f 2.8 should be enough. how about we hear from some old timers as to how they handled weddings in the old days.
My anecdotal observation is that in the "old days", which for me is only back to the '70's, weddings were not shot like sporting events. Thus photographers gave each shot more time/anticipation (they had to...), and had more time to make the appropriate adjustments. They also seemed to have a more intimate engagement with their gear and films/development strategies. And they had to shoot more wide open, since ISO's topped out at 400, and many didn't use that. First 35mm (I never saw 35mm used at a wedding until late in the '90's---none of the wedding guys I knew used it) and then digital changed all that.
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given the hi-iso performance of the Z f 2.8 should be enough. how about we hear from some old timers as to how they handled weddings in the old days.
Its good, very good. About 0,7 stops better then FF with the same f/2,8 aperture. But put a f/1,4 lens on the FF and it get about 1,3 stops advantage over the 645Z with a f/2,8 lens. Yes, its unfair, just put a f/1,4 lens on the 645Z and its 0,7 stops better agai.. no, wait - you can't! Thats the dilemma. Thats why 645Z need a larger sensor and/or a larger aperture lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LFLee Quote
I totally agree. The film photographer of the wedding crowd who swear by the Contax 80 f2 will go crazy over this.
A similar 80mm f2 or 80f1.9 DFA lens will rock that industry.
I followed Contax 645 group and some have done comparison using Contax 80f2 and Pentax FA75f2.8 / 105f2.4, to me, the Contax gave a special pleasant look.

and when Pentax make that fast lens.... I will snap several 645n bodies...
+1, but fortunately i have already 645nii
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given the hi-iso performance of the Z f 2.8 should be enough. how about we hear from some old timers as to how they handled weddings in the old days.
it has precisely zero to do with light gathering capabilities. it's about DoF.
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all I've kept hearing over the last year is how much film is slowly fading out and how photographers are literally hoarding Contax bodies,
Imho most photographers with a Contax 645 camera and some lenses will switch to Leica S. Leica offers an adapter which supports the AF and f-stop setting of Contax 645 lenses. I don“t think a lot of them will switch to a Pentax 645 system. On the other hand, if a Contax 645 owner needs 645FF - a PO or (cheaper) HaBla back might be the better alternative.
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