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11-21-2018, 11:30 AM   #16
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Perhaps consider these camera's format instead of brands. Are you going to be happy shooting square all the time if say you get a 500C/M? And a 6x7 format is really not that wide compared to say a 6x9 for a lot of things. Of course you can crop but it's something to think about.

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QuoteOriginally posted by tuco Quote
Perhaps consider these camera's format instead of brands. Are you going to be happy shooting square all the time if say you get a 500C/M? And a 6x7 format is really not that wide compared to say a 6x9 for a lot of things. Of course you can crop but it's something to think about.

Yes, equipment aside, the 6x7 format is exceptionally versatile, but I also like the 6x6 format, as so very many do -- it works extremely well for simple compositions. Having said that, I couldn't see myself using and staying with just one somewhat inflexible format -- the 6x6 -- for everything. There is too much variety out there. I default my ZeroImage 69 pinhole camera to the 6x6 format (among 4 available for the camera), and more than once I have cringed that I chose the square over 6x7 or 6x9!
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I wonder how many P67s were ever made?
When I first got my P 6x7 30 years ago, I would never see other shooters with this camera and thought that maybe 50,000 were made. Now my guess is much higher, especially when I see how many members there are in Pentax 67 forums like Flickr and the number of used 67s for sale. I would guess that 200,000 were made for all types (non-MLU 6x7, MLU 6X7, MLU 67 and P67II).

The two lenses that are overpriced for the system are the 105 and 75AL. If you avoid those two, the system can be affordable.
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The two lenses that are overpriced for the system are the 105 and 75AL. If you avoid those two, the system can be affordable.
Go hell for leather for the 75AL!

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When I first got my P 6x7 30 years ago, I would never see other shooters with this camera and thought that maybe 50,000 were made. Now my guess is much higher, especially when I see how many members there are in Pentax 67 forums like Flickr and the number of used 67s for sale. I would guess that 200,000 were made for all types (non-MLU 6x7, MLU 6X7, MLU 67 and P67II).

The two lenses that are overpriced for the system are the 105 and 75AL. If you avoid those two, the system can be affordable.

Yeah, I noticed how expensive the 105mm is on eBay. Outrageous! That's a lens I would want to get actually, so patience is warranted here. It's puzzling that there is no 35mm 35mm-format equivalent lens. The 55mm is too wide for my taste. In 35mm format, my "wide" angle is the K 35mm f/3.5.

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Yeah, I noticed how expensive the 105mm is on eBay. Outrageous! That's a lens I would want to get actually, so patience is warranted here. It's puzzling that there is no 35mm 35mm-format equivalent lens. The 55mm is too wide for my taste. In 35mm format, my "wide" angle is the K 35mm f/3.5.

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The diagonal of a 5:4 aspect is not the same as a 3:2 of course. So direct equivalent lenses are not quite the same. That said, I think the 75mm is close enough to a 35mm in small format to satisfy your needs.
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Yeah, I noticed how expensive the 105mm is on eBay. Outrageous!
The 105 seems to have achieved cult status in the past 10 years by portrait shooters and the price reflects that. The 150 Takumar is a Double Gauss design similar to the 105 and is f/2.8 speed but gets little respect. I have used them both and found both capable of excellent portrait work. I suggest the 150 and the 75 Takumar. If you need speed in a 75mm, then you must pay up for the 75AL.

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The two lenses that are overpriced for the system are the 105 and 75AL. If you avoid those two, the system can be affordable.
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Yeah, I noticed how expensive the 105mm is on eBay. Outrageous!
Oh my I just checked the price of a 67 105/2.4! It's now triple what I paid a few years back??

Why the big increase, hipsters?

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Meanwhile, this local eBay listing, in Australian dollars, shows just how extravagant the going price is for the 75AL. For that price, I would very much expect MINT/BNIB/WP, not used-'excellent' by any stretch of the imagination. It is true the relative rarity of this lens may influence used market prices (supply/demand), as there are very few of the lenses in active ownership that I am aware of here -- I can only think of three off the top of my head.

The 'hipster's nirvana' 105 2.4 (looks quite the dainty piece propped up on the bamboo board with light toasted rye on 'mashed avo with kale slurp for brunch...) isn't too far off the OMG$ stakes at a close second.

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Oh my I just checked the price of a 67 105/2.4! It's now triple what I paid a few years back??

Why the big increase, hipsters?

Phil.
It does seem like the price of a 105mm along with the body is slightly more reasonable, if we use KEH as a template for what a P67 body + viewfinder costs.
But yes, the prices for a standalone 105mm...
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No one so far has mentioned the satisfying cannon-like noise and vibrational ker-thump of the Pentax's mirror and shutter. I shoot a lot of silent digital stuff, but I love the shudder and noise of the Pentax when shooting film. It's fun to feel and hear, and it's a good reminder of just how much money I'm spending each time I squeeze that shutter button. The delicate "snip" of a leaf shutter is sweet, but at times it's fun to feel like you're firing artillery
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No one so far has mentioned the satisfying cannon-like noise and vibrational ker-thump of the Pentax's mirror and shutter. I love the shudder and noise of the Pentax when shooting film. It's fun to feel and hear, and it's a good reminder of just how much money I'm spending each time I squeeze that shutter button. The delicate "snip" of a leaf shutter is sweet, but at times it's fun to feel like you're firing artillery
For sure all SLR medium format have that satisfying mechanical noise including Hasselblad. The decibel award however must go to Zenza Bronica.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ediz7531 Quote
I'm thinking about renting both systems for a test shoot, since I'm in no rush.

I took a quick peek at ebay for P67 (second version) prices. Seems like very limited supply from North America sellers, and a high degree of insanity when it comes to prices. I wonder how many P67s were ever made? The Hassy prices seem more uniform across the board.
You might want to look further afield. Based on advice in here I bought a 645N and a lens from Japan recently. One of the best eBay purchasing decisions ever. Both camera and lens are immaculate and exactly as described if not better. And they arrived quicker than another shipment from NY to SF.

Caveat emptor,YMMV of course. Although if I was buying a 6x7 series I'd assume a CLA would be required/prudent at some point.
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Caveat emptor,YMMV of course. Although if I was buying a 6x7 series I'd assume a CLA would be required/prudent at some point.
That is my recommendation too for all early model Asahi Pentax / Pentax 6x7 cameras, not necessarily so for the later 1989-era Pentax 67, but depending on history.
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That is my recommendation too for all early model Asahi Pentax / Pentax 6x7 cameras, not necessarily so for the later 1989-era Pentax 67, but depending on history.
I ended up getting a P67 in bargain conditon from KEH. Has anyone used Professional Camera Repair (they are one of the repair shops listed on the recommended repair shops thread on pentaxforums) for a CLA on a 67? They quoted half of what Eric quoted. I’ve used them for a Pentax SV CLA recently and I was satisfied with their work, but just thought I’d ask.
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