Come on Pentax where’s next 645 !?

fsge · 11-07-2019, 08:49 AM

I ve read maybe on PF that it is likely K-new will come first and then K70 replacement. Then possibly new 645 before the K1 III.
I assume Ricoh would like to renew some 645 lenses but does not have bandwidth for that at the moment with APSC and FF ones keep development team busy.

**rdenney** · 11-08-2019, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by texandrews

Yeah, I have a Hartblei 45 shift for my Z. I think it's a Pentacon lens....

No, it’s an Arsenal lens, made in Kiev—the glass comes from the Arsat 45/3.5, aka the Mir 26.

And that is the joy and the pain of it. Not sharp, but loved by users back in the day for its color rendering.

Rick “who has several” Denney

texandrews · 11-08-2019, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by rdenney

No, it’s an Arsenal lens, made in Kiev—the glass comes from the Arsat 45/3.5, aka the Mir 26.

And that is the joy and the pain of it. Not sharp, but loved by users back in the day for its color rendering.

Rick “who has several” Denney

Thank you!

Foamberg · 11-14-2019, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by fsge

I ve read maybe on PF that it is likely K-new will come first and then K70 replacement. Then possibly new 645 before the K1 III.
I assume Ricoh would like to renew some 645 lenses but does not have bandwidth for that at the moment with APSC and FF ones keep development team busy.

since i bought a cambo actus for mirrorless to use my 645/67 lenses i give a shit about if pentax/ricoh will stay alive or will die! no need to buy into another system than my sony alpha! considering fuji...but in real the only interesting mf-system would be a phase one xt...but this makes really no sense for me! ;-)

fsge · 11-14-2019, 08:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Foamberg

since i bought a cambo actus for mirrorless to use my 645/67 lenses i give a shit about if pentax/ricoh will stay alive or will die! no need to buy into another system than my sony alpha! considering fuji...but in real the only interesting mf-system would be a phase one xt...but this makes really no sense for me! ;-)

This sounds selfish but it is your choice...
There is imo more value in keeping Pentax alive than in feeding Sony.

Foamberg · 11-15-2019, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by fsge

This sounds selfish but it is your choice...
There is imo more value in keeping Pentax alive than in feeding Sony.

to tell you the truth - selfish is to buy and buy and buy...! (and not to realize that children in afrika sorting our garbage!!!)

2351HD · 11-15-2019, 10:59 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by fsge

This sounds selfish but it is your choice...
There is imo more value in keeping Pentax alive than in feeding Sony.

You say that, but............

Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used.

**Alex645** · 11-15-2019, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by 2351HD

You say that, but............

Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used.

Probably true and would be an interesting poll.

Personally, I bought my first 645 and three primes all new. My 645N and about five AF 645 lenses were all purchased new from a dear friend that then gifted them to me. Unless there is a huge price difference between new and used, I'd rather spend more for peace of mind and the warranty.

fsge · 11-15-2019, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by 2351HD

You say that, but............

Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used.

You cant blame people for not cashing out 20k for a full 645 set... Buying second hand is also supporting in an indirect way, primary seller possibly buying new Pentax gear.

2351HD · 11-15-2019, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by fsge

You cant blame people for not cashing out 20k for a full 645 set... Buying second hand is also supporting in an indirect way, primary seller possibly buying new Pentax gear.

You’ll find pretty much most Pentax MF sales are those leaving the system, especially over the last 3 years.

You can’t say that somebody purchasing a used 645D and a bunch of used FA lenses is somehow doing anything for the brand.

I am not blaming anybody for not purchasing new, I’m just saying that if somebody does purchase their whole system used, then they might want to re-think whether their opinion actually has weight. There are plenty of people out there with money like Foamberg who if Pentax had the goods they would re-invest in new gear. Same goes for all the money being dropped on Fuji MF systems, if the product is good then people will invest.

The reality here which is the whole topic of this forum thread is that Pentax has literally done nothing with the system for 5 years, yes 5 whole years.

**rdenney** · 11-15-2019, 07:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by 2351HD

You say that, but............

Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used.

My 645z and 645nII were both bought new, as was my FA 45-85 and my three flash units and various other accessories.

I didn’t buy my 28-45 new—I let you do that

But Pentax could operate a refurbishment and certified pre-owned program that, with reasonable prices, could help capture secondary-market profits.

Rick “who buys new when it makes sense, but who would pay a premium to buy used from Pentax” Denney

texandrews · 11-15-2019, 08:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rdenney

But Pentax could operate a refurbishment and certified pre-owned program that, with reasonable prices, could help capture secondary-market profits.

Rick “who buys new when it makes sense, but who would pay a premium to buy used from Pentax” Denney

And that is a dynamite idea, and it's in the same vein as what they did with the K1 to K1mkII upgrade. I, too, would pay a premium for Pentax certified refurbs/reconditions. Pentax could really do something interesting here.

As to other comments above, I bought my bodies new, 645Z when it first came out, not discounted as it is now, and the K1 when it first came out, and then did the upgrade. Plus the 540 FGZII, the 28-105, the 100 macro, the 50 macro, and the 645 55. It's true that most of my lenses I've had to buy used (and I had a couple from 645N days), but I would have purchased them new if I'd had deeper pockets.

**kaseki** · 11-16-2019, 03:12 AM - **1 Like**

Used sales affect the cost of ownership, and hence the value proposition for those who are most likely to buy expensive photographic gear -- professionals. Used values may also influence hobbyists sufficiently well-heeled to buy new. Hence, I would assert that used sales are economically valuable to Pentax. Would Audi sales increase if the model trade-in values were somehow forced to zero and all used vehicles were crushed? I suspect not.

itshimitis · 02-20-2020, 03:58 AM

Perhaps the next iteration might use this sensor - 64mp

Don't worry guys, the Leica S3 will ONLY cost ?18,600! | Digital Camera World

Leumas · 02-20-2020, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by itshimitis

Perhaps the next iteration might use this sensor - 64mp

Don't worry guys, the Leica S3 will ONLY cost ?18,600! | Digital Camera World

Hopefully not.

It's not FF 645, and its crap 3:2 ratio. This would be a downgrade.

11-15-2019, 08:38 PM - 1 Like	#117
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,390	Originally posted by rdenney But Pentax could operate a refurbishment and certified pre-owned program that, with reasonable prices, could help capture secondary-market profits. Rick “who buys new when it makes sense, but who would pay a premium to buy used from Pentax” Denney And that is a dynamite idea, and it's in the same vein as what they did with the K1 to K1mkII upgrade. I, too, would pay a premium for Pentax certified refurbs/reconditions. Pentax could really do something interesting here. As to other comments above, I bought my bodies new, 645Z when it first came out, not discounted as it is now, and the K1 when it first came out, and then did the upgrade. Plus the 540 FGZII, the 28-105, the 100 macro, the 50 macro, and the 645 55. It's true that most of my lenses I've had to buy used (and I had a couple from 645N days), but I would have purchased them new if I'd had deeper pockets. Last edited by texandrews; 11-15-2019 at 08:47 PM.

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11-07-2019, 08:49 AM	#106
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	I ve read maybe on PF that it is likely K-new will come first and then K70 replacement. Then possibly new 645 before the K1 III. I assume Ricoh would like to renew some 645 lenses but does not have bandwidth for that at the moment with APSC and FF ones keep development team busy.

11-08-2019, 08:38 AM	#107
rdenney Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NoVA Posts: 635	Originally posted by texandrews Yeah, I have a Hartblei 45 shift for my Z. I think it's a Pentacon lens.... No, it’s an Arsenal lens, made in Kiev—the glass comes from the Arsat 45/3.5, aka the Mir 26. And that is the joy and the pain of it. Not sharp, but loved by users back in the day for its color rendering. Rick “who has several” Denney

11-08-2019, 05:07 PM	#108
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,390	Originally posted by rdenney No, it’s an Arsenal lens, made in Kiev—the glass comes from the Arsat 45/3.5, aka the Mir 26. And that is the joy and the pain of it. Not sharp, but loved by users back in the day for its color rendering. Rick “who has several” Denney Thank you!

11-14-2019, 07:59 AM	#109
Foamberg New Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 18	Originally posted by fsge I ve read maybe on PF that it is likely K-new will come first and then K70 replacement. Then possibly new 645 before the K1 III. I assume Ricoh would like to renew some 645 lenses but does not have bandwidth for that at the moment with APSC and FF ones keep development team busy. since i bought a cambo actus for mirrorless to use my 645/67 lenses i give a shit about if pentax/ricoh will stay alive or will die! no need to buy into another system than my sony alpha! considering fuji...but in real the only interesting mf-system would be a phase one xt...but this makes really no sense for me! ;-)

11-14-2019, 08:52 AM - 1 Like	#110
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by Foamberg since i bought a cambo actus for mirrorless to use my 645/67 lenses i give a shit about if pentax/ricoh will stay alive or will die! no need to buy into another system than my sony alpha! considering fuji...but in real the only interesting mf-system would be a phase one xt...but this makes really no sense for me! ;-) This sounds selfish but it is your choice... There is imo more value in keeping Pentax alive than in feeding Sony.

11-15-2019, 04:24 AM	#111
Foamberg New Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 18	Originally posted by fsge This sounds selfish but it is your choice... There is imo more value in keeping Pentax alive than in feeding Sony. to tell you the truth - selfish is to buy and buy and buy...! (and not to realize that children in afrika sorting our garbage!!!)

11-15-2019, 10:59 AM - 1 Like	#112
2351HD Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brisbane, Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 750	Originally posted by fsge This sounds selfish but it is your choice... There is imo more value in keeping Pentax alive than in feeding Sony. You say that, but............ Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used.

11-15-2019, 12:14 PM	#113
Alex645 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Kaneohe, HI Photos: Albums Posts: 3,526	Originally posted by 2351HD You say that, but............ Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used. Probably true and would be an interesting poll. Personally, I bought my first 645 and three primes all new. My 645N and about five AF 645 lenses were all purchased new from a dear friend that then gifted them to me. Unless there is a huge price difference between new and used, I'd rather spend more for peace of mind and the warranty.

11-15-2019, 02:11 PM	#114
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by 2351HD You say that, but............ Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used. You cant blame people for not cashing out 20k for a full 645 set... Buying second hand is also supporting in an indirect way, primary seller possibly buying new Pentax gear.

11-15-2019, 02:24 PM	#115
2351HD Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brisbane, Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 750	Originally posted by fsge You cant blame people for not cashing out 20k for a full 645 set... Buying second hand is also supporting in an indirect way, primary seller possibly buying new Pentax gear. You’ll find pretty much most Pentax MF sales are those leaving the system, especially over the last 3 years. You can’t say that somebody purchasing a used 645D and a bunch of used FA lenses is somehow doing anything for the brand. I am not blaming anybody for not purchasing new, I’m just saying that if somebody does purchase their whole system used, then they might want to re-think whether their opinion actually has weight. There are plenty of people out there with money like Foamberg who if Pentax had the goods they would re-invest in new gear. Same goes for all the money being dropped on Fuji MF systems, if the product is good then people will invest. The reality here which is the whole topic of this forum thread is that Pentax has literally done nothing with the system for 5 years, yes 5 whole years.

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11-15-2019, 07:52 PM - 1 Like	#116
rdenney Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NoVA Posts: 635	Originally posted by 2351HD You say that, but............ Most people on this forum for the 645 system have never purchased anything new in their 645 kit, only used and they are typically the most vocal ones about supporting Pentax. However they have never actually contributed a single cent to Pentaxs’ bottom line by purchasing an entire value 645 kit used. My 645z and 645nII were both bought new, as was my FA 45-85 and my three flash units and various other accessories. I didn’t buy my 28-45 new—I let you do that But Pentax could operate a refurbishment and certified pre-owned program that, with reasonable prices, could help capture secondary-market profits. Rick “who buys new when it makes sense, but who would pay a premium to buy used from Pentax” Denney

11-16-2019, 03:12 AM - 1 Like	#118
kaseki Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2017 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,138	Used sales affect the cost of ownership, and hence the value proposition for those who are most likely to buy expensive photographic gear -- professionals. Used values may also influence hobbyists sufficiently well-heeled to buy new. Hence, I would assert that used sales are economically valuable to Pentax. Would Audi sales increase if the model trade-in values were somehow forced to zero and all used vehicles were crushed? I suspect not.

02-20-2020, 03:58 AM	#119
itshimitis Pentaxian Join Date: May 2011 Location: All over the place Posts: 3,535	Perhaps the next iteration might use this sensor - 64mp Don't worry guys, the Leica S3 will ONLY cost ?18,600! \| Digital Camera World

02-20-2020, 02:51 PM	#120
Leumas Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 454	Originally posted by itshimitis Perhaps the next iteration might use this sensor - 64mp Don't worry guys, the Leica S3 will ONLY cost ?18,600! \| Digital Camera World Hopefully not. It's not FF 645, and its crap 3:2 ratio. This would be a downgrade.