Recommendations for Mail Processing Ektachrome 220

**RICHARD L.** · 07-08-2020, 05:43 PM - **1 Like**

All my Ektachrome slides from the 60s and 70s have turned "magenta" and lost all colors. All my Kodachromes from the same period are pristine just like the day I took them. Gawd, I hate Ektachrome ! Does it have better permanency in its new incarnation ?

**Ed Hurst** · 07-08-2020, 05:56 PM

My oldest Ektachrome goes back to the late 80s and that all looks ok to me. But I certainly feel any E6 film (or indeed any C41 film) should be scanned ASAP.

**Riggomatic** · 07-08-2020, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by stemked

I've spent a rather unsuccessful hour trying to find a mail company on-line (US) to process some of my old 220 Etachrome film. Anyone know a good lab that doesn't charge an arm and a leg?

Maybe check with Robert's Camera in Indy. They might have a couple local sources that can help.

Also, just wanted to follow this thread for future reference.

stevebrot · 07-08-2020, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Ed Hurst

So, on that basis, unless you happen to have an Ektachrome film dating back a looooooooooooooong way, you can pretty much assume it's E6.

Yep...24 years back.

Steve

Silent Street · 07-08-2020, 07:23 PM

Interesting. I used Ektachrome and Kodachrome from late 1977 right up to the introduction of Velvia and Provia around 1992, when I migrated away from the Great Yellow Father. I have no idea if those early Ektachromes from the 1970s and 1980s were E4 or E6 (Ektachrome was within my very limited budget when I started, while Kodachrome was a bit more pricier and limited to "special occasions" e.g. photographing tombstones or "yellow daisies"!) I'm pretty sure though it was all E6 as I was knuckling down to the task of mastering exposure of E6 film. I don't have any of those early slides with me here in Alice (they're at home in Victoria, which I understand now is under siege!); on returning home at the end of next month, I will dig out some and see if there is any indication of the process used on the cardboard mounts.

@Ed Hurst
Valid point about scanning Ektachrome asap! It's archival stability is nowhere near the 'gold standard' of Kodachrome, of which I have plenty of dating back decades and still in marvellous condition; Ektachromes, those I peeked in on last year — not so!

stevebrot · 07-08-2020, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by RICHARD L.

All my Ektachrome slides from the 60s and 70s have turned "magenta" and lost all colors. All my Kodachromes from the same period are pristine just like the day I took them. Gawd, I hate Ektachrome ! Does it have better permanency in its new incarnation ?

30 years dye permanence for E4 emulsions.

Steve

Silent Street · 07-08-2020, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by RICHARD L.

All my Ektachrome slides from the 60s and 70s have turned "magenta" and lost all colors. All my Kodachromes from the same period are pristine just like the day I took them.

Exactly the same malaise of my own early Ektachromes: many have gone purple, others have lost colour altogether. Kodachromes ... I guarantee those from 1977-1980 are beautiful (some of my enduring favs are shots with a POL of bright red and gleaming chrome 1964 MG roadsters). I will get my brother to post up some of each, if he can navigate his way through the musty cupboard where I stashed them "way back then..."

**rdenney** · 07-08-2020, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Ed Hurst

So, on that basis, unless you happen to have an Ektachrome film dating back a looooooooooooooong way, you can pretty much assume it's E6.

Any Ektachrome bought in your lifetime is either dead or E6.

Rick “not thinking many have photomicrography film from the 80’s in their freezer, or that E4 consumer Ektachrome from 1974 is still usable” Denney

**Ed Hurst** · 07-09-2020, 12:01 AM

Exactly. It's E6 or it's not something you can use anyway!

**gofour3** · 07-09-2020, 07:19 AM

The newly re-released (2018) Ektachrome 100 I'm using in 135 & 120, is rated at 80+ years if properly stored.

As for Kodachrome I have slides dated back to 1972 and they are perfect, started to shoot some Ektachrome/Elitechrome in the 1990's and they are also fine.

Phil.

Silent Street · 07-09-2020, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by gofour3

The newly re-released (2018) Ektachrome 100 I'm using in 135 & 120, is rated at 80+ years if properly stored.

As for Kodachrome I have slides dated back to 1972 and they are perfect, started to shoot some Ektachrome/Elitechrome in the 1990's and they are also fine.

Phil.

Eighty years!? Erm...but...you planning on being around then??

At the time of writing I have Ektachrome 100 loaded in my P67, 3/4 finished. I was not happy with its quite muted/subdued rendition on the first roll shot in April, but I can put that down to something like surprise rather than expectation: I had not used Ektachrome for decades before the new kid on the block hit the streets. It's an ongoing experiment and Spring and Summer will provide more useful opportunities to stretch it's appearance.

**gofour3** · 07-09-2020, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Silent Street

Eighty years!? Erm...but...you planning on being around then??

At the time of writing I have Ektachrome 100 loaded in my P67, 3/4 finished. I was not happy with its quite muted/subdued rendition on the first roll shot in April, but I can put that down to something like surprise rather than expectation: I had not used Ektachrome for decades before the new kid on the block hit the streets. It's an ongoing experiment and Spring and Summer will provide more useful opportunities to stretch it's appearance.

Yeah 80 years is overkill for us, but someone in their 20's shooting E100 may appreciate the long archival time.

I've just shot three rolls of the new E100 in 120 and am still getting used to it. I've done over 50 rolls in 135 and I'm trying to do comparisons between the two formats, by shooting the same subjects/locations. I'm 100% sold on the 135 format, but still deciding on the 120. You'd think the two formats would shoot the same, but I'm not convinced.

Yes more testing is still required for the 120 version.....

Phil.

**Ed Hurst** · 07-09-2020, 10:53 PM - **1 Like**

I obviously won't last another 80 years from now, but it would be nice to think that my archive will outlive me! In the optimistic hope that anyone will care about it all by then...

**barondla** · 07-10-2020, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by gofour3

Yeah 80 years is overkill for us, but someone in their 20's shooting E100 may appreciate the long archival time.

I've just shot three rolls of the new E100 in 120 and am still getting used to it. I've done over 50 rolls in 135 and I'm trying to do comparisons between the two formats, by shooting the same subjects/locations. I'm 100% sold on the 135 format, but still deciding on the 120. You'd think the two formats would shoot the same, but I'm not convinced.

Yes more testing is still required for the 120 version.....

Phil.

Interesting. Are you thinking the film looks different in the two formats?
Thanks,
barondla

**gofour3** · 07-10-2020, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by barondla

Interesting. Are you thinking the film looks different in the two formats?
Thanks,
barondla

Possibly, but I need to shoot more of E100 in 120 before I can say for sure. I'm even finding a slight difference in the original 2018 E100 in 135 and current 2020 135 emulations. So it's possible Kodak has tweaked it slightly since the first batches. No proof of that either, it could all be in my head....

Phil.

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07-08-2020, 05:43 PM - 1 Like	#16
RICHARD L. Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Quebec City, Quebec Posts: 6,633	All my Ektachrome slides from the 60s and 70s have turned "magenta" and lost all colors. All my Kodachromes from the same period are pristine just like the day I took them. Gawd, I hate Ektachrome ! Does it have better permanency in its new incarnation ?

07-08-2020, 05:56 PM	#17
Ed Hurst Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,657	My oldest Ektachrome goes back to the late 80s and that all looks ok to me. But I certainly feel any E6 film (or indeed any C41 film) should be scanned ASAP.

07-08-2020, 06:17 PM	#18
Riggomatic Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn, Indiana Photos: Albums Posts: 3,886	Originally posted by stemked I've spent a rather unsuccessful hour trying to find a mail company on-line (US) to process some of my old 220 Etachrome film. Anyone know a good lab that doesn't charge an arm and a leg? Maybe check with Robert's Camera in Indy. They might have a couple local sources that can help. Also, just wanted to follow this thread for future reference.

07-08-2020, 07:12 PM	#19
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Ed Hurst So, on that basis, unless you happen to have an Ektachrome film dating back a looooooooooooooong way, you can pretty much assume it's E6. Yep...24 years back. Steve

07-08-2020, 07:23 PM	#20
Silent Street Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Castlemaine, Victoria, AUS Photos: Albums Posts: 1,151	Interesting. I used Ektachrome and Kodachrome from late 1977 right up to the introduction of Velvia and Provia around 1992, when I migrated away from the Great Yellow Father. I have no idea if those early Ektachromes from the 1970s and 1980s were E4 or E6 (Ektachrome was within my very limited budget when I started, while Kodachrome was a bit more pricier and limited to "special occasions" e.g. photographing tombstones or "yellow daisies"!) I'm pretty sure though it was all E6 as I was knuckling down to the task of mastering exposure of E6 film. I don't have any of those early slides with me here in Alice (they're at home in Victoria, which I understand now is under siege!); on returning home at the end of next month, I will dig out some and see if there is any indication of the process used on the cardboard mounts. @Ed Hurst Valid point about scanning Ektachrome asap! It's archival stability is nowhere near the 'gold standard' of Kodachrome, of which I have plenty of dating back decades and still in marvellous condition; Ektachromes, those I peeked in on last year — not so!

07-08-2020, 07:24 PM	#21
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by RICHARD L. All my Ektachrome slides from the 60s and 70s have turned "magenta" and lost all colors. All my Kodachromes from the same period are pristine just like the day I took them. Gawd, I hate Ektachrome ! Does it have better permanency in its new incarnation ? 30 years dye permanence for E4 emulsions. Steve

07-08-2020, 07:35 PM	#22
Silent Street Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Castlemaine, Victoria, AUS Photos: Albums Posts: 1,151	Originally posted by RICHARD L. All my Ektachrome slides from the 60s and 70s have turned "magenta" and lost all colors. All my Kodachromes from the same period are pristine just like the day I took them. Exactly the same malaise of my own early Ektachromes: many have gone purple, others have lost colour altogether. Kodachromes ... I guarantee those from 1977-1980 are beautiful (some of my enduring favs are shots with a POL of bright red and gleaming chrome 1964 MG roadsters). I will get my brother to post up some of each, if he can navigate his way through the musty cupboard where I stashed them "way back then..."

07-08-2020, 10:02 PM	#23
rdenney Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NoVA Posts: 635	Originally posted by Ed Hurst So, on that basis, unless you happen to have an Ektachrome film dating back a looooooooooooooong way, you can pretty much assume it's E6. Any Ektachrome bought in your lifetime is either dead or E6. Rick “not thinking many have photomicrography film from the 80’s in their freezer, or that E4 consumer Ektachrome from 1974 is still usable” Denney

07-09-2020, 12:01 AM	#24
Ed Hurst Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,657	Exactly. It's E6 or it's not something you can use anyway!

07-09-2020, 07:19 AM	#25
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,092	The newly re-released (2018) Ektachrome 100 I'm using in 135 & 120, is rated at 80+ years if properly stored. As for Kodachrome I have slides dated back to 1972 and they are perfect, started to shoot some Ektachrome/Elitechrome in the 1990's and they are also fine. Phil.

07-09-2020, 03:47 PM	#26
Silent Street Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Castlemaine, Victoria, AUS Photos: Albums Posts: 1,151	Originally posted by gofour3 The newly re-released (2018) Ektachrome 100 I'm using in 135 & 120, is rated at 80+ years if properly stored. As for Kodachrome I have slides dated back to 1972 and they are perfect, started to shoot some Ektachrome/Elitechrome in the 1990's and they are also fine. Phil. Eighty years!? Erm...but...you planning on being around then?? At the time of writing I have Ektachrome 100 loaded in my P67, 3/4 finished. I was not happy with its quite muted/subdued rendition on the first roll shot in April, but I can put that down to something like surprise rather than expectation: I had not used Ektachrome for decades before the new kid on the block hit the streets. It's an ongoing experiment and Spring and Summer will provide more useful opportunities to stretch it's appearance.

07-09-2020, 10:21 PM	#27
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,092	Originally posted by Silent Street Eighty years!? Erm...but...you planning on being around then?? At the time of writing I have Ektachrome 100 loaded in my P67, 3/4 finished. I was not happy with its quite muted/subdued rendition on the first roll shot in April, but I can put that down to something like surprise rather than expectation: I had not used Ektachrome for decades before the new kid on the block hit the streets. It's an ongoing experiment and Spring and Summer will provide more useful opportunities to stretch it's appearance. Yeah 80 years is overkill for us, but someone in their 20's shooting E100 may appreciate the long archival time. I've just shot three rolls of the new E100 in 120 and am still getting used to it. I've done over 50 rolls in 135 and I'm trying to do comparisons between the two formats, by shooting the same subjects/locations. I'm 100% sold on the 135 format, but still deciding on the 120. You'd think the two formats would shoot the same, but I'm not convinced. Yes more testing is still required for the 120 version..... Phil.

07-09-2020, 10:53 PM - 1 Like	#28
Ed Hurst Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,657	I obviously won't last another 80 years from now, but it would be nice to think that my archive will outlive me! In the optimistic hope that anyone will care about it all by then...

07-10-2020, 01:12 AM	#29
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,715	Originally posted by gofour3 Yeah 80 years is overkill for us, but someone in their 20's shooting E100 may appreciate the long archival time. I've just shot three rolls of the new E100 in 120 and am still getting used to it. I've done over 50 rolls in 135 and I'm trying to do comparisons between the two formats, by shooting the same subjects/locations. I'm 100% sold on the 135 format, but still deciding on the 120. You'd think the two formats would shoot the same, but I'm not convinced. Yes more testing is still required for the 120 version..... Phil. Interesting. Are you thinking the film looks different in the two formats? Thanks, barondla

07-10-2020, 10:23 AM	#30
gofour3 Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 8,092	Originally posted by barondla Interesting. Are you thinking the film looks different in the two formats? Thanks, barondla Possibly, but I need to shoot more of E100 in 120 before I can say for sure. I'm even finding a slight difference in the original 2018 E100 in 135 and current 2020 135 emulations. So it's possible Kodak has tweaked it slightly since the first batches. No proof of that either, it could all be in my head.... Phil.