Need to use a Better Profile for 645Z. Using Lightroom Classic

**rollsman4** · 07-21-2022, 04:53 AM

Using adobe Standard does not seem to give me the best of what the Z can deliver. Can you recommend another camera profile to use. Thank you

pid · 07-21-2022, 08:28 AM

I like the cobalt-image Basic pack.
Basic Pack - Cobalt

**rollsman4** · 07-21-2022, 09:27 AM

I just read the info on Cobalt. I am a little confused. What other than the Basic download for my specific camera what other ones should I download? This is confusing to me and which one(s) should I purchase that you could recommend. Thank you Dennis

steephill · 07-21-2022, 10:22 AM

What does the Adobe profile get wrong for you? Have you tried the Pentax supplied options - Embedded, Camera Bright, Camera Landscape etc.

**rollsman4** · 07-21-2022, 10:36 AM

The colors are Not as POP as I think they should. NO Have Not tried Pentax ones Thank you

**TDvN57** · 07-21-2022, 12:41 PM - **1 Like**

I recommend you make your own profile(s). It is fairly easy to do and you can also have LR or ACR load the profile as a default for your camera.

If you search either on YouTube or in Adobe help files you will find many tutorials of how to do it. Is fairly simple to do.

The most difficult part is putting together settings that you want to load as a default for all your pictures. Alternatively you can setup different standard sets for the different photo scenes you are doing (landscape, wildlife, portraits, etc) and use it either as profiles or presets.

Going in this direction gives you much better control over the outcome, cost you nothing and you can change your mind as often as you like.

pschlute · 07-21-2022, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by rollsman4

The colors are Not as POP as I think they should. NO Have Not tried Pentax ones Thank you

Mate, you are using one of the strongest processing tools out there with LR Classic. Why would you surrender your processing choices to what someone else has deemed best for your pictures without even knowing what you shoot ?

I use Silkypix DSPro and Adobe Photoshop/ACR (pretty much identical now to LR) for my processing. I create my own profiles that suit my style of pictures as a starting point and adjust from there.

**rollsman4** · 07-21-2022, 04:11 PM - **1 Like**

You Both Make a Lot of sense. I will check youtube and do it myself. Thank you. Greatly appreciate it

mikeSF · 08-21-2022, 09:38 AM

I've used Huelight profiles for all my bodies. No complaints at all.
Making your own is best as TDvN57 suggested, but if you don't trust your technique, try the Huelights...i gues they changed the name:
Pentax Camera Profiles

**rollsman4** · 08-23-2022, 12:39 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mikeSF

I've used Huelight profiles for all my bodies. No complaints at all.
Making your own is best as TDvN57 suggested, but if you don't trust your technique, try the Huelights...i gues they changed the name:
Pentax Camera Profiles

Thank you I will order them and see how they are TY

SFTphotography · 08-26-2022, 01:08 AM

DXO PhotoLab 5 would be my suggestion.

mikeSF · 08-26-2022, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by SFTphotography

DXO PhotoLab 5 would be my suggestion.

color profiles?

---------- Post added 08-26-22 at 11:19 AM ----------

Originally posted by pid

I like the cobalt-image Basic pack.
Basic Pack - Cobalt

I don't see any specific to the 645Z. Which profile(s) are you using and how do they work for you?

---------- Post added 08-26-22 at 11:27 AM ----------

Originally posted by steephill

What does the Adobe profile get wrong for you? Have you tried the Pentax supplied options - Embedded, Camera Bright, Camera Landscape etc.

Ideally, you want your processing software(ie LR) to interpret your RAW color information in a way that reflects the specific color performance of your camera's sensor. Adobe does not offer any profiles for the 645Z and the general ones are just too far off, IMO. These 3rd party companies have profiled a 645Z to a calibrated color chart to provide a set of "offsets".

---------- Post added 08-26-22 at 11:32 AM ----------

Originally posted by pschlute

Mate, you are using one of the strongest processing tools out there with LR Classic. Why would you surrender your processing choices to what someone else has deemed best for your pictures without even knowing what you shoot ?

I use Silkypix DSPro and Adobe Photoshop/ACR (pretty much identical now to LR) for my processing. I create my own profiles that suit my style of pictures as a starting point and adjust from there.

OP is not talking about processing presets, but rather calibration files to get the best color performance between camera sensor and the software. Kinda like how we calibrate our monitor colors to match embedded image colors.

**TDvN57** · 08-26-2022, 12:30 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mikeSF

color profiles?
OP is not talking about processing presets, but rather calibration files to get the best color performance between camera sensor and the software. Kinda like how we calibrate our monitor colors to match embedded image colors.

I also miss understood that. Wouldn't it be easier and more accurate to take a picture of a color chart in the same light where you intend to shoot? The correction is then easily done in any editor. Over time you can collect a substantial database of corrections which can be simplified into a set of profiles.

pschlute · 08-26-2022, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by TDvN57

I also miss understood that.

I am not at all sure you misunderstood anything.

Abbazz · 08-26-2022, 07:17 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by mikeSF

color profiles?

DxO Photolab 5 works with camera profiles (it uses the same DCP profiles as Adobe Camera Raw/Lightroom).

Quote:

I don't see any specific to the 645Z. Which profile(s) are you using and how do they work for you?

There is a dropdown menu on the linked web page to choose the camera model. The 645Z is indeed present in the list.

Quote:

Ideally, you want your processing software(ie LR) to interpret your RAW color information in a way that reflects the specific color performance of your camera's sensor. Adobe does not offer any profiles for the 645Z and the general ones are just too far off, IMO. These 3rd party companies have profiled a 645Z to a calibrated color chart to provide a set of "offsets".

I use Cobalt's 645D profile and it's very well done (dual illuminants, high number of colors sampled).

Cheers!

Abbazz

07-21-2022, 04:53 AM	#1
rollsman4 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 460	Need to use a Better Profile for 645Z. Using Lightroom Classic Using adobe Standard does not seem to give me the best of what the Z can deliver. Can you recommend another camera profile to use. Thank you

08-26-2022, 11:17 AM	#12
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,622	Originally posted by SFTphotography DXO PhotoLab 5 would be my suggestion. color profiles? ---------- Post added 08-26-22 at 11:19 AM ---------- Originally posted by pid I like the cobalt-image Basic pack. Basic Pack - Cobalt I don't see any specific to the 645Z. Which profile(s) are you using and how do they work for you? ---------- Post added 08-26-22 at 11:27 AM ---------- Originally posted by steephill What does the Adobe profile get wrong for you? Have you tried the Pentax supplied options - Embedded, Camera Bright, Camera Landscape etc. Ideally, you want your processing software(ie LR) to interpret your RAW color information in a way that reflects the specific color performance of your camera's sensor. Adobe does not offer any profiles for the 645Z and the general ones are just too far off, IMO. These 3rd party companies have profiled a 645Z to a calibrated color chart to provide a set of "offsets". ---------- Post added 08-26-22 at 11:32 AM ---------- Originally posted by pschlute Mate, you are using one of the strongest processing tools out there with LR Classic. Why would you surrender your processing choices to what someone else has deemed best for your pictures without even knowing what you shoot ? I use Silkypix DSPro and Adobe Photoshop/ACR (pretty much identical now to LR) for my processing. I create my own profiles that suit my style of pictures as a starting point and adjust from there. OP is not talking about processing presets, but rather calibration files to get the best color performance between camera sensor and the software. Kinda like how we calibrate our monitor colors to match embedded image colors. Last edited by mikeSF; 08-26-2022 at 11:33 AM.

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07-21-2022, 08:28 AM	#2
pid Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 567	I like the cobalt-image Basic pack. Basic Pack - Cobalt

07-21-2022, 09:27 AM	#3
rollsman4 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 460 Original Poster	I just read the info on Cobalt. I am a little confused. What other than the Basic download for my specific camera what other ones should I download? This is confusing to me and which one(s) should I purchase that you could recommend. Thank you Dennis

07-21-2022, 10:22 AM	#4
steephill Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Photos: Albums Posts: 590	What does the Adobe profile get wrong for you? Have you tried the Pentax supplied options - Embedded, Camera Bright, Camera Landscape etc.

07-21-2022, 10:36 AM	#5
rollsman4 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 460 Original Poster	The colors are Not as POP as I think they should. NO Have Not tried Pentax ones Thank you

07-21-2022, 12:41 PM - 1 Like	#6
TDvN57 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Berlin Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,150	I recommend you make your own profile(s). It is fairly easy to do and you can also have LR or ACR load the profile as a default for your camera. If you search either on YouTube or in Adobe help files you will find many tutorials of how to do it. Is fairly simple to do. The most difficult part is putting together settings that you want to load as a default for all your pictures. Alternatively you can setup different standard sets for the different photo scenes you are doing (landscape, wildlife, portraits, etc) and use it either as profiles or presets. Going in this direction gives you much better control over the outcome, cost you nothing and you can change your mind as often as you like.

07-21-2022, 01:42 PM	#7
pschlute Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Surrey, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,212	Originally posted by rollsman4 The colors are Not as POP as I think they should. NO Have Not tried Pentax ones Thank you Mate, you are using one of the strongest processing tools out there with LR Classic. Why would you surrender your processing choices to what someone else has deemed best for your pictures without even knowing what you shoot ? I use Silkypix DSPro and Adobe Photoshop/ACR (pretty much identical now to LR) for my processing. I create my own profiles that suit my style of pictures as a starting point and adjust from there.

07-21-2022, 04:11 PM - 1 Like	#8
rollsman4 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 460 Original Poster	You Both Make a Lot of sense. I will check youtube and do it myself. Thank you. Greatly appreciate it

08-21-2022, 09:38 AM	#9
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,622	I've used Huelight profiles for all my bodies. No complaints at all. Making your own is best as TDvN57 suggested, but if you don't trust your technique, try the Huelights...i gues they changed the name: Pentax Camera Profiles

08-23-2022, 12:39 PM - 1 Like	#10
rollsman4 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 460 Original Poster	Originally posted by mikeSF I've used Huelight profiles for all my bodies. No complaints at all. Making your own is best as TDvN57 suggested, but if you don't trust your technique, try the Huelights...i gues they changed the name: Pentax Camera Profiles Thank you I will order them and see how they are TY

08-26-2022, 01:08 AM	#11
SFTphotography Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Scotland Posts: 291	DXO PhotoLab 5 would be my suggestion.

08-26-2022, 12:30 PM - 1 Like	#13
TDvN57 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Berlin Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,150	Originally posted by mikeSF color profiles? OP is not talking about processing presets, but rather calibration files to get the best color performance between camera sensor and the software. Kinda like how we calibrate our monitor colors to match embedded image colors. I also miss understood that. Wouldn't it be easier and more accurate to take a picture of a color chart in the same light where you intend to shoot? The correction is then easily done in any editor. Over time you can collect a substantial database of corrections which can be simplified into a set of profiles.

08-26-2022, 01:28 PM	#14
pschlute Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Surrey, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,212	Originally posted by TDvN57 I also miss understood that. I am not at all sure you misunderstood anything.

08-26-2022, 07:17 PM - 2 Likes	#15
Abbazz Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 667	Originally posted by mikeSF color profiles? DxO Photolab 5 works with camera profiles (it uses the same DCP profiles as Adobe Camera Raw/Lightroom). Quote: I don't see any specific to the 645Z. Which profile(s) are you using and how do they work for you? There is a dropdown menu on the linked web page to choose the camera model. The 645Z is indeed present in the list. Quote: Ideally, you want your processing software(ie LR) to interpret your RAW color information in a way that reflects the specific color performance of your camera's sensor. Adobe does not offer any profiles for the 645Z and the general ones are just too far off, IMO. These 3rd party companies have profiled a 645Z to a calibrated color chart to provide a set of "offsets". I use Cobalt's 645D profile and it's very well done (dual illuminants, high number of colors sampled). Cheers! Abbazz