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10-21-2009, 10:30 AM   #1
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first pics from my 645N

are mostly snapshots and i dont like them

i also dont like Kodak 400TX, in fact i dont like any Kodak b/w film

i'm going to try Ektar 100 next...

but my first overall impressions are mixed, rather bulky compared to a 35mm camera, also i have to resort to a flatbed scanner for these as a dedicated MF film scanner is out of my budget for now..

75mm F2.8 @ 1/10th iso400



75mm F4.0 @ 1/1000 ISO400



75mm F4.0 @ 1/500 (or something) ISO400



75mm F2.8 @1/350 ISO 400



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Damn it, that newfangled 645N contraption works!

I HATE 400TX, the damn thing is a dust magnet and furthermore scans with strange color variations... and did I mention how it curls? And bows? The traditional Kodak film (pan-x, tri-x) is much better.
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the film advance scared the shit out of me when i took the first shot.
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Yes, this is definitely a camera you want to take to some quiet place... and the thing has some torque, maybe it's not really doing this, but I feel my 645 is trying to twist itself out of my hands when the advance does its thing.

Have you faced this one yet: you load up the film... and not quite sure if you should hit the shutter to advance it to #1? Or does the N do that automatically, like a motorized 35mm cam?

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havent loaded new film into it yet.

it will come it will come

i'm still planning on buying my own chemicals.. that will come too...

i keep trying to convince my friend to sell "our" Nikon 5000, his Epson V700, add another 5 bills, and purcahse the Nikon 9000!!!
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you can always sell your car or house to get a Hassy scanner...

BTW, I saw some guy today in Union Square, he had a 6x7 with the wood handle around his neck. It didn't seem that much worse than a 645.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
you can always sell your car or house to get a Hassy scanner...

BTW, I saw some guy today in Union Square, he had a 6x7 with the wood handle around his neck. It didn't seem that much worse than a 645.
hard to be a ninja though with that sort of thing..
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Gooshin,
I think you should separate the quality of/on the film from that of the scanner. The film you mention is made for a conventional darkroom printing. And, the flatbed scanners are -as far as I know- usually not the best tools to extract information from films.
My frustrations during the early phase of shooting with a 645N was mainly due to scanning issues.
I still like the camera, though I find little opportunity to use it routinely.

I suggest (to myself, as well!) that, if we are going to scan the film and print the digital data, we need a workflow just for this. (Which may mean using C41 films even for monochrome work).
If, on the other hand, we will be using a conventional darkroom, the workflow (not the camera!) should be different.
I guess the film you tried can be a source for excellent photos in a conventional darkroom, even while the scanned images look rather flat.

I also happen to use a Kiev88CM medium format camera and the necessity to wind the film manually (a rather tricky thing) reminds me of the sweet, spontaneous, musical, "auto" movement of the film in the 645N.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Gooshin Quote
i also dont like Kodak 400TX, in fact i dont like any Kodak b/w film
Shall I give you some links to some great 320TXP, 125PX and TMX shots? It is not the film. Any problems using them stands behind the camera.

Try adjusting your pictures so your whites are "white" in the graphics editor. It will improve your results.
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You still have to depress the shutter release on the 645N to get it to advance to the first frame (as least on my two bodies this is the case).

QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
Have you faced this one yet: you load up the film... and not quite sure if you should hit the shutter to advance it to #1? Or does the N do that automatically, like a motorized 35mm cam?
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Hey folks,
Take a look around for a used Nikon Coolscan LS 8000 ED. I have purchased a couple in the last two years for well under $1000 USD. They are out there. There was one this past week on photo.net for $800 USD - and I purchsed one just over half of that in great condition.
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Gooshin,
I think you should separate the quality of/on the film from that of the scanner. The film you mention is made for a conventional darkroom printing. And, the flatbed scanners are -as far as I know- usually not the best tools to extract information from films.
My frustrations during the early phase of shooting with a 645N was mainly due to scanning issues.
I still like the camera, though I find little opportunity to use it routinely.

I suggest (to myself, as well!) that, if we are going to scan the film and print the digital data, we need a workflow just for this. (Which may mean using C41 films even for monochrome work).
If, on the other hand, we will be using a conventional darkroom, the workflow (not the camera!) should be different.
I guess the film you tried can be a source for excellent photos in a conventional darkroom, even while the scanned images look rather flat.

I also happen to use a Kiev88CM medium format camera and the necessity to wind the film manually (a rather tricky thing) reminds me of the sweet, spontaneous, musical, "auto" movement of the film in the 645N.
I read in "Scanning Negatives and Slides" by Sasha Steinhoff that b&w films in general don't scan very easily and that every defect (dust and scratches) gets picked up...
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I read in "Scanning Negatives and Slides" by Sasha Steinhoff that b&w films in general don't scan very easily and that every defect (dust and scratches) gets picked up...
That has been my experience scanning 35mm. (I'm still waiting for my first rolls from the 645). Shoot TX, and you will be using the spot healing brush tool on you skies.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gooshin Quote
are mostly snapshots and i dont like them

i also dont like Kodak 400TX, in fact i dont like any Kodak b/w film

i'm going to try Ektar 100 next...

but my first overall impressions are mixed, rather bulky compared to a 35mm camera, also i have to resort to a flatbed scanner for these as a dedicated MF film scanner is out of my budget for now..

75mm F2.8 @ 1/10th iso400



75mm F4.0 @ 1/1000 ISO400



75mm F4.0 @ 1/500 (or something) ISO400



75mm F2.8 @1/350 ISO 400

Very nice start. You should post a link to these over on the "show us your 645 photos" thread. Right now, most of the photos are 67 (and there are some superb ones).
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QuoteOriginally posted by bc_the_path Quote

I suggest (to myself, as well!) that, if we are going to scan the film and print the digital data, we need a workflow just for this. (Which may mean using C41 films even for monochrome work).
The roll in my 645 right now is Ilford XP2. I used to shoot a lot of XP1 in 35mm, and I hope I like the look in 120, because the Coolscan9000 without any Digital ICE is a bit of a pain. The scanner resolves every fleck and speck, and the Giotto only makes a dent.
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