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06-07-2011, 03:40 PM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by kuau Quote
Would still love to see some samples taken with the newer 45mm T/S on a 645D before I order one.
I am really sorry, but we don't have this camera now to make any samples .
But we had buyers who bought it and everyone was satisfied. I know this is not so good example but I am sure you will be satisfied with quality of this lens. We don't need bad reputation in the internet because we try to make best service to our buyers.

06-14-2011, 04:02 AM   #32
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I owned a Hartblei Superrotator a few years ago for a Contax 645 (Phase One back) it was a very disappointing lens, poor resolution on shift and serious vignetting. I would love to hear from someone who actually owns the new version and what they think of the CA, resolution, and color rendering. Forum member, "Hartblei" says this is a different lens entirely as it was made for Phase One to meet their specs. I've sent two email to Hartblei inquiring about the glass, is it Zeiss as rumored? - asking what kind of assurance the company would give if the lens is lacking in performance - and I could prove it with images. I would expect a reasonable return policy, say 10 days or so. Unfortunately I have not received a response. I am sure you all would agree given my prior experience, that this is not a great sign. I'm not about to spend north of $2K for a lens with no history or return policy from the manufacturer. Any thoughts?
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Did you ever shoot with the Hartbeli on your 645? Do you have some samples to show?
06-14-2011, 06:31 AM   #34
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Aboudd,

I had same reaction with my Contax 645 and Superrotator lens. I never used it once aside from testing, and later sold it.

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I have a Hartblei 45mm Super Rotator in the Washington, DC area but am currently missing the 645D for this experiment. Anyone in the Washington, DC area with a 645D that wants to try out the lens and allow me to look at your 645D?
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QuoteOriginally posted by yurihuta Quote
I have a Hartblei 45mm Super Rotator in the Washington, DC area but am currently missing the 645D for this experiment. Anyone in the Washington, DC area with a 645D that wantse here to try out the lens and allow me to look at your 645D?
The stars have aligned! I'm in Arlington. My 645D is due here today or tomorrow. Send me an email at dweckphoto@gmail.com.
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Sent a couple of email to yurihuta. My 645D arrived today. Would love to meet and see the Hartblei on it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aboudd Quote
Sent a couple of email to yurihuta. My 645D arrived today. Would love to meet and see the Hartblei on it.
Further investigation seems to show that the Hartblei/phase one lens is Zeiss glass, and the Hartblei 45mm digital from tilt.shift is not. I would not expect the same performance, but the price Is less than half. However, I have also been assured by Vitaliy that the Hartblei he sells does not have optics from the Arsenal glass factory, I'm hoping that is a good thing.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Aboudd Quote
Further investigation seems to show that the Hartblei/phase one lens is Zeiss glass, and the Hartblei 45mm digital from tilt.shift is not. I would not expect the same performance, but the price Is less than half. However, I have also been assured by Vitaliy that the Hartblei he sells does not have optics from the Arsenal glass factory, I'm hoping that is a good thing.
There are two Hartblei lens generations. The earlier ones (including the SuperRotator) had Arsenal optics and were made in Ukraine. Hartblei is a German name, but the lenses were not made in Germany. Those have been out of production for a few years now, but every once in awhile you hear rumors of some NOS copies surfacing. The current generation Hartblei are German-made and feature Zeiss optics and are a completely different product...night and day different. $$$$$$


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IMHO there are two Hartblei companies (Hartblei sounds german but it was in origin no german firm) . Now there are one Hartblei in Germany (name droping Stephan Steib), one Hartblei with US/Ukranian background. Formerly both persons involved were partners, but they spilt some years ago. The german one uses Carl Zeiss material (imho based on Hasselblad V lenses) , the ukrainian Arsenal material.
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QuoteOriginally posted by veraikon Quote
IMHO there are two Hartblei companies (Hartblei sounds german but it was in origin no german firm) . Now there are one Hartblei in Germany (name droping Stephan Steib), one Hartblei with US/Ukranian background. Formerly both persons involved were partners, but they spilt some years ago. The german one uses Carl Zeiss material (imho based on Hasselblad V lenses) , the ukrainian Arsenal material.
Thanks for the clarification. I was not aware that the Ukrainian company was still viable. (They have not been making the Arsenal-based SuperRotator for some time.)


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IMHO they are still selling Kiev P6 lenses (also the 45mm base to the T/S), adapters, Kiev 60 (perhaps NOS ?)

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But I don´t know why the T/S mount to the 45mm isn´t in production. ?
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Copy of a reply a sent to get DPI forum

Hello from Munich

Just to shed some light on this unfortunate mixup (I know - this is why we are rebranding the professional part "hartblei.de" to HCam, I hope we will have this done soon) you can already reach hartblei.de on hcam.de also.

hartblei.kiev.ua is the original website of Hartblei Kiev, run by my Ukrainian business partner Sergeji Naumenko and his son Vitalyi (privjet Vitalyi), they build the superrotators, they always have built it and they will build it. The 45mm TS is a very good lens no matter what some tell about it and can be bought exclusively new as some other lenses with russian glass on their website plus you can reach them on Ebay :
http://shop.ebay.de/tilt-shift/m.htm...id=p4340.l2562 or here
http://stores.ebay.de/vk-no-store/Ca...=p4634.c0.m322
Hartblei Kiev also builds the Zeiss versions, but these are sold exclusively through my website :

hartblei.de now to be hcam.de. We also build the HCam versions (in Italy) and now the HCam Mamiya RB/RZ-645 adapter (in Hamburg).

now hartblei.com is the former website of hartblei, but unfortunately hold hostage by a former business partner Mr. Pissarenko, hosted in Slowakia and not having any Hartblei products at all. What they try to sell is scam, old Kiev bodies, arsenal stuff and cheap adapters, stay away ! same applies to the so called Hartblei Macro-Tilt and Hartblei shift adapters: they are marketed by some people around ARAX and former Hartblei dealer Michael Fourman , now to be found on several addresses on ebay. Hartblei has stopped any business with them, but they use the name anyway, but unfortunately it gets even more complicated, there are some dealers on ebay who also try to sell the lenses, all this makes the situation a real mess.

Hcam will sell the Hartblei Zeiss versions, but the HCam site, brand and the company will be separate from this chaos, this needs to be made very clear.
I always write in my own name and as such show exactly who is behind our products. anybody can email me, call me, skype me or get in contact by linkedin or facebook. I think this is essential.

Hcam does German/EU standards guarantees, support and consulting for
large companies setups, pro photographers and museums and libraries.
I have also specialised in digitalisation of cultural heritage/books and paintings, I am also an Apple certified trainer for Aperture and working with most of the largest brands in the business.

Hope this helps

Stefan Steib - HCam.de
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Thank you Stefan for the excellent explanation!
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