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01-25-2010, 02:12 PM   #1
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Hartblei T/S for 645

Has anyone ever used the Hartblei tilt/shift lens for the Pentax 645? Or seen reviews of it? Or know how to buy it??



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45mm would be really fun as a tilt-shift....

01-25-2010, 02:50 PM   #2
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That would be the same as the Pentacon Six version with an adapter (or, some lenses shipped with dedicated P645 mounts, but basically the same thing).

Review here:Hartblei Superrotator

You cannot buy it new; only used on Ebay etc. Usually go for 1000-1300USD.
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I have only seen one or two come up in the Pentax 645 mount every year and as RawheaD mentioned, they seem to sell for over $1000, usually closer to $1500.

I was going to buy one in a Contax 645 mount and ask Hartblei to convert it to Pentax 645 mount, but they said they would not do this. I wonder if someone like SK Grimes would make the conversion? The Contax 645 mount was going for under $1000.
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Here is a page I put up about 6-7 years ago.
Hartblei 45mm Tilt Shift lens for medium format
I have the tilt/shift and also the SuperRotator. I think that my T/S is sharper than my SR, so I am reluctant to part with the T/S.
This lens is based on the Mir 45mm, which was never a really sharp lens but if you stop these down to f11 or f16 I find them to be plenty sharp.
The reason that Hartblei won't modify the Mir lens now is because they have contracted with Zeiss and sell the new super rotator for thousands of $$.

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If you can find one this was the reasonable cost solution. They were $500 about 5-7 yrs ago.

Stopping down not only increase sharpness but also evens out the illumination (less vignetting).

This was my TS solution. mine is a P6 mount that I use on Pentax 645/N with an adapter. You can look for one's with a Mamiya or Contax 645 adapter and just buy a P6 to Pentax 645 adapter.
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QuoteOriginally posted by yurihuta Quote
I have only seen one or two come up in the Pentax 645 mount every year and as RawheaD mentioned, they seem to sell for over $1000, usually closer to $1500.

I was going to buy one in a Contax 645 mount and ask Hartblei to convert it to Pentax 645 mount, but they said they would not do this. I wonder if someone like SK Grimes would make the conversion? The Contax 645 mount was going for under $1000.
Check the Contax mount to see if it is a Contax to P6 mount adapter. If so you are home free.
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The seller described it as being a dedicated/permanent Contax 645 mount. I asked specifically if it was a P6 mount with a Contax 645 adapter - he said no.
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Well, the Hartblei lists availability for both a Pentacon 6 mount MC PCS Arsat 45mm / f=3.5 Shift and a P6-P645 adapter. Worth the experiment?

-- is that NOT a super-rotator?

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This is a shift only, no tilt. The super rotator had (has?) both tilt and shift.

QuoteOriginally posted by andycogbill Quote
Well, the Hartblei lists availability for both a Pentacon 6 mount MC PCS Arsat 45mm / f=3.5 Shift and a P6-P645 adapter. Worth the experiment?

-- is that NOT a super-rotator?
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QuoteOriginally posted by yurihuta Quote
This is a shift only, no tilt. The super rotator had (has?) both tilt and shift.
There are two versions, The earlier version has basic tilt and shift, the later version added the super rotator which let you tilt in any direction.
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Thanks DW. So you're saying that even though it's called SHIFT, it also has tilt? And wouldn't this be a good deal, then??
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QuoteOriginally posted by andycogbill Quote
Thanks DW. So you're saying that even though it's called SHIFT, it also has tilt? And wouldn't this be a good deal, then??
If it is a T/S then it is tilt and shift. There are Shift only versions out there but very rare and a lot older.They were also not widely marketed in North America.

The T/S is the first one to be brought in for sale with distributor and servicing.

From my LF shooting I usually tilt or swing, very rarely needing both. So I find not having the Super Rotator not limiting.
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QuoteOriginally posted by andycogbill Quote
Has anyone ever used the Hartblei tilt/shift lens for the Pentax 645? Or seen reviews of it? Or know how to buy it??



HARTBLEI Shift & Tilt-Shift Lenses | HARTBLEI

45mm would be really fun as a tilt-shift....
This photo is the Tilt/Shift lens. Look very close to the one I am using (disclaimer - but you are dealing with 60+ yrs old eyes). It looks like a Super Rotator version. The SR is the additional mechanism at the rear of the lens

The screw at the top tilts the lens and the ring with 0 2 4 6 8 etc shifts the lens
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Hartblei t/s

Dunno about using this on a 645, but I have one on my Hartblei 6x6 Hasselblad clone, and will probably sell my hasselblad because the Hartblei is so sharp. How about mounting it on a Pentax 67? That would seem to be a pretty easy step.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Herb Quote
Dunno about using this on a 645, but I have one on my Hartblei 6x6 Hasselblad clone, and will probably sell my hasselblad because the Hartblei is so sharp. How about mounting it on a Pentax 67? That would seem to be a pretty easy step.
It is more than just making a mount. There is the lens to film plane registration distance which is greater in the Pentax67 and you will not get all the benefits of the tilt and shift for you are dealing with a larger image circle.
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