The name of the new Pentax body is...

thibs · 04-21-2009, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by KungPOW

I really hope that what you heard is wrong.

I don't want a K20D in a new body, but now with video.

I can't be the only one here that is looking at this camera to decide if Pentax is the system I want to spend my cash on.

Common Pentax...help keep me as a fanboy.

I don't think the 'K7' is supposed to replace K20D nor is it supposed to be a Pro body. It is as they said a 'different concept'. A camera specialy made to go with Limited lens (ie compact, high quality, well constructed lenses).

I expect it to be top notch as far as details like usability, design, compactness and built. It will be more advances than K20D for sure but I'm sure a 'K30D/K3D' will come in later.

Gimbal · 04-21-2009, 11:41 PM

A k20 in new clothes, I’ll probably keep my money. (Unless there actually are some great improvements in the high iso area). The design alone isn't cool or "limited" enough (seems to be quite ordinary actually) to varant an upgrade.

thibs · 04-22-2009, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

A k20 in new clothes, I’ll probably keep my money. (Unless there actually are some great improvements in the high iso area). The design alone isn't cool or "limited" enough (seems to be quite ordinary actually) to varant an upgrade.

Well try to find those specs (both technical/photographic) is a body such a size from any competitor.

Maybe Oly... but with crappy sensor.

lol101 · 04-22-2009, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by KungPOW

I really hope that what you heard is wrong.

I don't want a K20D in a new body, but now with video.

I can't be the only one here that is looking at this camera to decide if Pentax is the system I want to spend my cash on.

Common Pentax...help keep me as a fanboy.

What is most probable:

A revolutionary camera with square FF sensor (crop mode to x1.3) with integrated LV in the VF, new high speed/high precision AF, 1080p video etc...etc...

or:

A camera with similar specifications to the D90 but "restyled" and with weather sealing and SR?

lol101 · 04-22-2009, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Well try to find those specs (both technical/photographic) is a body such a size from any competitor.

Maybe Oly... but with crappy sensor.

Well, D90 looks very similar...

Caat · 04-22-2009, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by lol101

What is most probable:

A revolutionary camera with square FF sensor (crop mode to x1.3) with integrated LV in the VF, new high speed/high precision AF, 1080p video etc...etc...

or:

A camera with similar specifications to the D90 but "restyled" and with weather sealing and SR?

This is starting to go the way the rumours went with the K20D. Lots of build up and hype and then ultimately disappointment due to initial expectations being too high.

I suspect that we will end up with essentially a K20D's guts in a new, prettier shell.

BUT I'd like Pentax to take things one level up to match standard specs like 5fps, 1/8000 shutter etc not just because these are things I genuinely need but because they help sell the camera as they are the top-line specs, and I want Pentax to do well.

vinzer · 04-22-2009, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Caat

This is starting to go the way the rumours went with the K20D. Lots of build up and hype and then ultimately disappointment due to initial expectations being too high.

I suspect that we will end up with essentially a K20D's guts in a new, prettier shell.

BUT I'd like Pentax to take things one level up to match standard specs like 5fps, 1/8000 shutter etc not just because these are things I genuinely need but because they help sell the camera as they are the top-line specs, and I want Pentax to do well.

I agree with you. It really doens't have to be earth-shaking changes, but updated AF and higher FPS count plus video will at least keep people in the fold and even get others to notice. Like you, I have no need for those three, but it would be great to have so that others who do need them consider keeping or going towards Pentax.

I'm fine with Pentax releasing multi-colored versions of existing cameras, but I do hope they don't extend the same idea towards new models, taking an existing model's guts and placing them in a reworked body. I would hope they have the foresight to improve on some of the specs that people frown on when looking at Pentax, if not a total overhaul.

schmik · 04-22-2009, 02:39 AM

For me this camera would be great. I'd absolutely love a 'limited' type body to go with my limited lenses. Small and precise! I get so used to my limiteds that when i use a DA zoom (10-17 fisheye is the only one i have) the whole thing seems too big and heavy. I see other shooters around with their huge zooms and bulky bodies and am reminded of 50 year old men in red sports cars.... overcompensating and having no idea!

A small high quality camera like this would also suit the old M, A and Tak lenses too. I see it as a real photographers camera. No BLING just performance.

FYI, I sometimes shoot with a pro that uses Canon and he is always amazed and impressed with the color rendition of my lowly k100d and finds the AF performance acceptable... and this is for sports shots.

Just another thought. What if the new concept is no screen... only an LCD in the viewfinder? It would be revolutionary but possibly a pain in the ass?!?!

mike

Ben_Edict · 04-22-2009, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by schmik

Just another thought. What if the new concept is no screen... only an LCD in the viewfinder? It would be revolutionary but possibly a pain in the ass?!?!

I think, that would be the death spell for such a camera. At least I wouldn't buy a EVF currently, as the quality is too low.

Ben

**ManuH** · 04-22-2009, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by deejjjaaaa

because I do not think that there were as many complaints about Pentax cameras not having 1/8000 and 1/250 as some other issues... and to have that done Pentax needs a little bit more expensive electromechanical part(s)... and once there is something w/ "mechanical" in the name vs just "electronic" it costs $ nowadays, even those parameters are nowhere exotic... $ here $ there adds to the cost and Pentax I think will have only so many new things done in a new camera at once - new sensor w/ faster readout, allowing some kind of HD video and more fps/more raws|jpegs taken in a burst (plus more RAM to keep that), may be better high ISO performance - that will already be good enough - add a new body, may be something about viewfinder, better LCD screen and that's it - most of consumers and popular review sites will notice and report that and not 1/4000 + 1/180 plus old 16 zones metering...

OK but... in 2007 the D300, A700, E-3 and 40D were released. If in 2009 Pentax still has nothing to show up, I think a lot of people will be disapointed. I know it costs money to implement an 1/8000-1/250 shutter but it's a given for a more pro-body. 5fps is just average for this level. The current matrix metering system is lagging the competition, etc. The name 'K7' with only one figure would imply a more upmarket camera than the K20D.

With all those leaks anyway I'd guess that we will have a more official announcement this friday the 24th.

ogl · 04-22-2009, 06:01 AM

a a i b · 04-22-2009, 06:26 AM

^seems a page out of Canon's playbook (reminds me of the 5D MkII teaser)

lol101 · 04-22-2009, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by ManuH

OK but... in 2007 the D300, A700, E-3 and 40D were released. If in 2009 Pentax still has nothing to show up, I think a lot of people will be disapointed. I know it costs money to implement an 1/8000-1/250 shutter but it's a given for a more pro-body. 5fps is just average for this level. The current matrix metering system is lagging the competition, etc. The name 'K7' with only one figure would imply a more upmarket camera than the K20D.

With all those leaks anyway I'd guess that we will have a more official announcement this friday the 24th.

Apparently, we'll have to wait until end of may for the announcement which means two months from the release date... still plenty of time to let the imagination run free!!

**Aristophanes** · 04-22-2009, 06:38 AM

Top LCD if the poster is correct about the form factor.

Originally posted by ogl

**ManuH** · 04-22-2009, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by lol101

Apparently, we'll have to wait until end of may for the announcement which means two months from the release date... still plenty of time to let the imagination run free!!

It's a bit early for these leaks don't you think?

Anyway... Where is WendyB to entertain us a little during these next weeks?

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04-21-2009, 11:33 PM	#61
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by KungPOW I really hope that what you heard is wrong. I don't want a K20D in a new body, but now with video. I can't be the only one here that is looking at this camera to decide if Pentax is the system I want to spend my cash on. Common Pentax...help keep me as a fanboy. I don't think the 'K7' is supposed to replace K20D nor is it supposed to be a Pro body. It is as they said a 'different concept'. A camera specialy made to go with Limited lens (ie compact, high quality, well constructed lenses). I expect it to be top notch as far as details like usability, design, compactness and built. It will be more advances than K20D for sure but I'm sure a 'K30D/K3D' will come in later.

04-21-2009, 11:41 PM	#62
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	A k20 in new clothes, I’ll probably keep my money. (Unless there actually are some great improvements in the high iso area). The design alone isn't cool or "limited" enough (seems to be quite ordinary actually) to varant an upgrade.

04-22-2009, 12:12 AM	#63
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Gimbal A k20 in new clothes, I’ll probably keep my money. (Unless there actually are some great improvements in the high iso area). The design alone isn't cool or "limited" enough (seems to be quite ordinary actually) to varant an upgrade. Well try to find those specs (both technical/photographic) is a body such a size from any competitor. Maybe Oly... but with crappy sensor.

04-22-2009, 01:10 AM	#64
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by KungPOW I really hope that what you heard is wrong. I don't want a K20D in a new body, but now with video. I can't be the only one here that is looking at this camera to decide if Pentax is the system I want to spend my cash on. Common Pentax...help keep me as a fanboy. What is most probable: A revolutionary camera with square FF sensor (crop mode to x1.3) with integrated LV in the VF, new high speed/high precision AF, 1080p video etc...etc... or: A camera with similar specifications to the D90 but "restyled" and with weather sealing and SR?

04-22-2009, 01:11 AM	#65
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by thibs Well try to find those specs (both technical/photographic) is a body such a size from any competitor. Maybe Oly... but with crappy sensor. Well, D90 looks very similar...

04-22-2009, 01:30 AM	#66
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by lol101 What is most probable: A revolutionary camera with square FF sensor (crop mode to x1.3) with integrated LV in the VF, new high speed/high precision AF, 1080p video etc...etc... or: A camera with similar specifications to the D90 but "restyled" and with weather sealing and SR? This is starting to go the way the rumours went with the K20D. Lots of build up and hype and then ultimately disappointment due to initial expectations being too high. I suspect that we will end up with essentially a K20D's guts in a new, prettier shell. BUT I'd like Pentax to take things one level up to match standard specs like 5fps, 1/8000 shutter etc not just because these are things I genuinely need but because they help sell the camera as they are the top-line specs, and I want Pentax to do well.

04-22-2009, 02:17 AM	#67
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by Caat This is starting to go the way the rumours went with the K20D. Lots of build up and hype and then ultimately disappointment due to initial expectations being too high. I suspect that we will end up with essentially a K20D's guts in a new, prettier shell. BUT I'd like Pentax to take things one level up to match standard specs like 5fps, 1/8000 shutter etc not just because these are things I genuinely need but because they help sell the camera as they are the top-line specs, and I want Pentax to do well. I agree with you. It really doens't have to be earth-shaking changes, but updated AF and higher FPS count plus video will at least keep people in the fold and even get others to notice. Like you, I have no need for those three, but it would be great to have so that others who do need them consider keeping or going towards Pentax. I'm fine with Pentax releasing multi-colored versions of existing cameras, but I do hope they don't extend the same idea towards new models, taking an existing model's guts and placing them in a reworked body. I would hope they have the foresight to improve on some of the specs that people frown on when looking at Pentax, if not a total overhaul.

04-22-2009, 02:39 AM	#68
schmik Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sydney Aus Photos: Gallery Posts: 527	For me this camera would be great. I'd absolutely love a 'limited' type body to go with my limited lenses. Small and precise! I get so used to my limiteds that when i use a DA zoom (10-17 fisheye is the only one i have) the whole thing seems too big and heavy. I see other shooters around with their huge zooms and bulky bodies and am reminded of 50 year old men in red sports cars.... overcompensating and having no idea! A small high quality camera like this would also suit the old M, A and Tak lenses too. I see it as a real photographers camera. No BLING just performance. FYI, I sometimes shoot with a pro that uses Canon and he is always amazed and impressed with the color rendition of my lowly k100d and finds the AF performance acceptable... and this is for sports shots. Just another thought. What if the new concept is no screen... only an LCD in the viewfinder? It would be revolutionary but possibly a pain in the ass?!?! mike

04-22-2009, 04:10 AM	#69
Ben_Edict Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SouthWest "Regio" Photos: Albums Posts: 3,309	Originally posted by schmik Just another thought. What if the new concept is no screen... only an LCD in the viewfinder? It would be revolutionary but possibly a pain in the ass?!?! I think, that would be the death spell for such a camera. At least I wouldn't buy a EVF currently, as the quality is too low. Ben

04-22-2009, 05:55 AM	#70
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by deejjjaaaa because I do not think that there were as many complaints about Pentax cameras not having 1/8000 and 1/250 as some other issues... and to have that done Pentax needs a little bit more expensive electromechanical part(s)... and once there is something w/ "mechanical" in the name vs just "electronic" it costs $ nowadays, even those parameters are nowhere exotic... $ here $ there adds to the cost and Pentax I think will have only so many new things done in a new camera at once - new sensor w/ faster readout, allowing some kind of HD video and more fps/more raws\|jpegs taken in a burst (plus more RAM to keep that), may be better high ISO performance - that will already be good enough - add a new body, may be something about viewfinder, better LCD screen and that's it - most of consumers and popular review sites will notice and report that and not 1/4000 + 1/180 plus old 16 zones metering... OK but... in 2007 the D300, A700, E-3 and 40D were released. If in 2009 Pentax still has nothing to show up, I think a lot of people will be disapointed. I know it costs money to implement an 1/8000-1/250 shutter but it's a given for a more pro-body. 5fps is just average for this level. The current matrix metering system is lagging the competition, etc. The name 'K7' with only one figure would imply a more upmarket camera than the K20D. With all those leaks anyway I'd guess that we will have a more official announcement this friday the 24th.

04-22-2009, 06:01 AM	#71
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382

04-22-2009, 06:26 AM	#72
a a i b Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brooklyn Photos: Gallery Posts: 315	^seems a page out of Canon's playbook (reminds me of the 5D MkII teaser)

04-22-2009, 06:31 AM	#73
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by ManuH OK but... in 2007 the D300, A700, E-3 and 40D were released. If in 2009 Pentax still has nothing to show up, I think a lot of people will be disapointed. I know it costs money to implement an 1/8000-1/250 shutter but it's a given for a more pro-body. 5fps is just average for this level. The current matrix metering system is lagging the competition, etc. The name 'K7' with only one figure would imply a more upmarket camera than the K20D. With all those leaks anyway I'd guess that we will have a more official announcement this friday the 24th. Apparently, we'll have to wait until end of may for the announcement which means two months from the release date... still plenty of time to let the imagination run free!!

04-22-2009, 06:38 AM	#74
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Top LCD if the poster is correct about the form factor. Originally posted by ogl

04-22-2009, 06:39 AM	#75
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by lol101 Apparently, we'll have to wait until end of may for the announcement which means two months from the release date... still plenty of time to let the imagination run free!! It's a bit early for these leaks don't you think? Anyway... Where is WendyB to entertain us a little during these next weeks?