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07-21-2010, 03:16 PM   #1
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First prime

Got a white K-x a few weeks back, loving it, great dslr.
Now I'm thinking getting my first prime lens and not quite sure which i should go for.
1. found a M 50mm 1.7 at a local shop ~$55(but condition isn't as good as i would hope for)
2. DA 40mm 2.8
3. FA 50mm 1.4

mostly for landscape and general use. budget up to $350.

07-21-2010, 03:29 PM   #2
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"Landscape and General Use" for that budget would be a DA21 or DA40. The DA21 would have to be secondhand for your budget. I have a DA40, and also a DA21 on the way. I love my DA40, it's probably my most used, and useful, lens. I don't take landscapes though, generally I just take pictures of people.
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50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.750mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7 50mm f/1.7

At least, thats what I think
The best (and cheapest lens I`ve got)
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Don't rule out the DA35/2.8 Macro Limited, either. Probably the most versatile lens ever made, in my opinion.

07-21-2010, 03:45 PM   #5
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50 mm is not what I would describe as a "lanscape and general use" lens. 20 to 35mm lenses seem to better suits this description.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zav Quote
50 mm is not what I would describe as a "lanscape and general use" lens. 20 to 35mm lenses seem to better suits this description.
Sorry, got a bit carried away.. Oh, and didn`t see the sentenceyou just quoted, at first

HoweverI must say that some of my sharpest landscape shots have been taken with aperture f/8-14 with my 50/1.7.

And it never disappoints in portraits.

But you guys know the other lenses so well, I really shouldn`t start a discussion
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I love the 40 because it's so small. I use a 50 if I'm taking pics after sunset.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Larsenio Quote
Sorry, got a bit carried away.. Oh, and didn`t see the sentenceyou just quoted, at first

HoweverI must say that some of my sharpest landscape shots have been taken with aperture f/8-14 with my 50/1.7.

And it never disappoints in portraits.

But you guys know the other lenses so well, I really shouldn`t start a discussion
I enjoy taking landscapes pics with my 125mm

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QuoteOriginally posted by Zav Quote
I enjoy taking landscapes pics with my 125mm
There you go; maybe he actually should consider 50mm after all
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thanks for the suggestions, for now I think I'll get that cheap M50mm1.7 and see where my preference take me next.
1 more question tho... the M 50mm 1.7 I saw at the shop looks like it got some dirt build up at the edge of the glass and a little bit of oil on one of the aperture blade, should I be concern about it?
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QuoteOriginally posted by OmegaKulu Quote
thanks for the suggestions, for now I think I'll get that cheap M50mm1.7 and see where my preference take me next.
1 more question tho... the M 50mm 1.7 I saw at the shop looks like it got some dirt build up at the edge of the glass and a little bit of oil on one of the aperture blade, should I be concern about it?
Leave it on the shelf and seek another one. Nothing wrong with the M50 f1.7, in fact it's a great lens but unless they are giving it away, better can be had.

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Everyone has their own definition(s) of "landscape and general photography". Some think you can't shoot landscapes without a 10-20 or 12-24 rectilinear. Others shoot their landscapes at 300mm, and/or all their general shooting with a 70-210. Your mileage may vary. But there are reasons that 18-55 is the kit lens of many makers now: because most "landscape and general" shots have been and are taken with glass in that range, or its equivalent in other formats.

Shooting cityscapes and people in San Francisco's Chinatown area, I used mostly an 85/2. Shooting landscapes and people at Grand Canyon, I used mostly 16/2.8, 28/2.8, and the 85/2. Shooting the big Red Rocks of Sedona AZ, I used mostly my DA18-240, mostly around 30-50-70mm. And for picking off pedestrians around the Plaza in Santa Fe, there's nothing like a cheap Tele-Takumar 200/5.6, ultra-sharp. Indoors and nights called for the 16/2.8 and 50/1.4 and 85/2 mostly.

All the lenses I mention above are manual. Of AFs, my DA18-240 and FA50/1.4 see a lot of use, the DA10-17 and DA18-55 and FA100-300 less so. ALL of these can be considered "landscape and general" lenses, in their way. Use the 10-17 to show and minimize context, shrink the background, etc. Use a 28/2.8 or 35/3.5 for general naked-eye scapes. Use the 50/1.4 or a 55/1.8 or 58/2 or 85/2 in low light and/or to isolate subjects. Use a 200 for not-so-close faces. Et cetera.

What should your next/first prime be? I always recommend the FA50/1.4 even though that'll devour your budget. Of manuals, a good 50/1.7 is second best; a Tak 55/1.8 or amazing Helios-44 58/2 are close, cheap runners-up. Fast Nifty Fiftys will always be among your most-used lenses. After that, great bargains can be had at 28mm and 35mm, the short-normal and long-normal of dSLRs, and at 135mm. There's great portrait and/or macro glass in the 85-105mm range, but usually costs a bit more, especially the AF versions. But hey, it's only money.

Good luck and have fun.
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My experience (I'm a frugal **** )

Wanted pretty much the same thing - something faster than my kit lens, moderate to wide angle prime for indoors and landscapes.

Not by any means top quality, but I set myself a 100 dollar budget.

The SMC A and SMC M series should serve you well for your purposes.

Both have inexpensive 28mm primes. The A series costs more, and will act more like a lens that you are used to, but the M series can sometimes be had for over 50dollars less then the A series!

I got the 28mm 2.8 for 100 CAD, very good condition. It takes great landscapes with little in the way of distortion, stark colours and contrast. The build is very solid.

Sure it could be faster, but a similarly priced 50mm would be my only option and would significantly cut down on my FOV. The 28mm was a nice compromise.

NB: In my experience, if you want wider angles than 24mm, you will have to pay a lot: they made very few old lenses wider than 24mm because 24mm is WIDE on a film camera, and new pentax lenses are well outside of our respective budgets.
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QuoteOriginally posted by OmegaKulu Quote
thanks for the suggestions, for now I think I'll get that cheap M50mm1.7 and see where my preference take me next.
1 more question tho... the M 50mm 1.7 I saw at the shop looks like it got some dirt build up at the edge of the glass and a little bit of oil on one of the aperture blade, should I be concern about it?
Leave it, unless you have a problem buying from eBay; I see an eBay Buy-It-Now sale for a 50 mm f/1.7 for $109, free shipping, from a highly rated seller. That is well within your budget.
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craigslist is your friend, but meet every seller in person in a public place.
you can find lenses at half the price of ebay.

case in point - I've seen the 28mm 2.8 M go for 100 dollars, and I bought the 28mm 2.8 A for the same price.
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