Pentax full frame camera?

crystax · 07-29-2011, 04:04 PM

I tried to read some of the specs but I didnt find anything I was looking for. Wondering if Pentax has a FULL FRAME DSLR on the market right now?
Thanks

**Ash** · 07-29-2011, 04:14 PM

Not at the moment. You may find one in a couple of years. In the meantime, you've only got APS-C and MF cameras to choose from...

bobva · 07-29-2011, 04:23 PM

I think everyone is waiting for one,

But with the DA lens which I dont thick is a Full Frame sized Lens, 35 x 24mm( I could be wrong ) I dont see one in the near future.

Although with the Ricoh buy out I'm expecting a damb Big improvement,

Full Frame Might Happen.

crystax · 07-29-2011, 04:25 PM

are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ?

JeffJS · 07-29-2011, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by bobva

I think everyone is waiting for one,

But with the DA lens which I dont thick is a Full Frame sized Lens, 35 x 24mm( I could be wrong ) I dont see one in the near future.

Although with the Ricoh buy out I'm expecting a damb Big improvement,

Full Frame Might Happen.

Some will work some won't. The DA40 for instance is reported to actually be a full frame lens. Some have said that the DA*200 is the same (optical) lens as the FA*200 repackaged. Most of them however, will leave you with a nice black circle on a full frame (such as film) camera. The current lineup of lenses is what has me convinced that Pentax never intended to release a full frame dslr. We now know Hoya probably had no intention of it. We'll see what Ricoh does with the brand.

I for one, couldn't care less but I do realize there are those who do.

RioRico · 07-29-2011, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by crystax

Wondering if Pentax has a FULL FRAME DSLR on the market right now?

Now? No. In the future? Maybe. And some folks mod their Nikon dSLRs by replacing the mount with a PK. What pervs!

Originally posted by crystax

are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ?

Lots of argument here. The main advantages are thinner DOF, and wider wides. When I put a 16mm or 21mm lens on my K1000 or ZX-M, they are WIDE! But modern UWA zooms kinda kill that advantage. And there are other, cheaper ways to get thin DOF. My K50/1.2 (US$250) cost much less than an FF dSLR (US$3K-10K).

Current FF dSLRs are very well-built, with price tags to match. Will that change? Maybe. Maybe if Ricoh-Pentax releases an FF GXR mount module...

bobva · 07-29-2011, 05:00 PM

RioRico

And some folks mod their nikon DSLRs by replacing the mount with a PK. What Pervs.

Im sorry ................. Layman's terms please

twitch · 07-29-2011, 05:15 PM

Ouch, even the thread title is like a stab to the heart.

Originally posted by crystax

are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ?

Please please, show some mercy

**TomB_tx** · 07-29-2011, 05:18 PM

The biggest advantage to FF is that the perspective of the lenses designed for the FF film format remain the same. With all the older lenses from film cameras around, it makes availability better, especially for wide angle lenses.
With a smaller sensor, the older lenses can be used, but it only covers the center part of the old FF image, so that a 35mm "wide angle" lens acts like a 50mm standard lens. If you want really wide angle lenses, you need to use new ones made for the smaller sensors for best results.
However, the APS smaller sensor in the K-5 and Nikon D7000 gives great results with lenses made for that size sensor, and darn good results with the older lenses.
If you aren't worried about using older lenses, don't worry about "full frame" - if the lens range you want is available for that camera. You don't need a ton of lenses anyway. I've collected a bunch over the years, but use the same 2 or 3 almost all the time.

bobva · 07-29-2011, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by crystax

are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ?

Myself personally I think full frame DSLR suck. they are frickin huge. At least the ones I've seen and held, In fact I hate my K200d size wise compared to my KX Film camera.

RioRico · 07-29-2011, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by bobva

RioRico

And some folks mod their nikon DSLRs by replacing the mount with a PK. What Pervs.

Im sorry ................. Layman's terms please

glossary (in alphabetical order):

dSLRs: digital single-lens-reflex cameras
folks: people, mostly
mod: modify / alter
mount: what the lens fits onto
Nikon: a camera brand
pervs: perverts (I'm joking!)
PK: Pentax K-mount, what our Pentax dSLRs have

Translation: Some owners of Nikon (or even Canon) full-frame (FF) cameras (older ones, usually) will modify the hardware by removing the native mount (the one that's built into the camera) and replacing it with a Pentax K-mount piece. That PK mount piece might be salvaged from a wrecked old Pentax camera.

Why do this? The answer has to do with REGISTER or flange-focal distance, the distance from the lens mount to the frame (film or sensor). Register for Canon EOS is 44mm; for Pentax it's 45.46mm; for Nikon it's 46.5mm. Lenses are built with camera bodies of the same register. Longer-register lenses can fit onto shorter-register bodies AND CAN FOCUS TO INFINITY. Shorter-register lenses on longer-register bodies CANNOT focus to infinity. So I can cut a Nikon lens a little bit, and use it on my Pentax. And Canon bodies can use almost any Pentax or Nikon lenses. But Pentax bodies can't use Canon lenses, and Nikon can't use either Canon or Pentax lenses.

Canon owners who mod their bods usually do so for convenience; dedicate an old bod for fine Pentax glass, eh? For Nikon owners, it's more critical -- it's the ONLY way they can use Pentax lenses, and still have infinity focus. Well, there *is* another way, using optical adapters that change the focal length and kill image quality. Yuck.

So if you have an old extra Nikon FF dSLR and you want to use great Pentax Takumar glass on it, you do a little body-chopping. I have some nice Nikon lenses that I got cheap, so I do it the other way around: I mod the lenses. Takes about 5 minutes per lens. No big deal. Oops, someone emailed asking how to do that -- I'd better reply soon.

adr1an · 07-29-2011, 05:54 PM

Rio: Or you could just point them to the Wiki

Dictionary - The Pentax Wiki

bobva · 07-29-2011, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by adr1an

Rio: Or you could just point them to the Wiki

Dictionary - The Pentax Wiki

That NEEDS to be a sticky

adr1an · 07-29-2011, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by bobva

That NEEDS to be a sticky

Its been suggested - as well as adding it as a Menu option up top. Not sure where its at though...

bobva · 07-29-2011, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by adr1an

Its been suggested - as well as adding it as a Menu option up top. Not sure where its at though...

I'll tell one thing its in my bookmarks now.

Thank you

07-29-2011, 04:04 PM	#1
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Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Not at the moment. You may find one in a couple of years. In the meantime, you've only got APS-C and MF cameras to choose from...

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bobva Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Tacoma Everett Posts: 53	I think everyone is waiting for one, But with the DA lens which I dont thick is a Full Frame sized Lens, 35 x 24mm( I could be wrong ) I dont see one in the near future. Although with the Ricoh buy out I'm expecting a damb Big improvement, Full Frame Might Happen.

07-29-2011, 04:25 PM	#4
crystax New Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: fort mcmurray Posts: 6 Original Poster	are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ?

07-29-2011, 04:36 PM	#5
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by bobva I think everyone is waiting for one, But with the DA lens which I dont thick is a Full Frame sized Lens, 35 x 24mm( I could be wrong ) I dont see one in the near future. Although with the Ricoh buy out I'm expecting a damb Big improvement, Full Frame Might Happen. Some will work some won't. The DA40 for instance is reported to actually be a full frame lens. Some have said that the DA200 is the same (optical) lens as the FA200 repackaged. Most of them however, will leave you with a nice black circle on a full frame (such as film) camera. The current lineup of lenses is what has me convinced that Pentax never intended to release a full frame dslr. We now know Hoya probably had no intention of it. We'll see what Ricoh does with the brand. I for one, couldn't care less but I do realize there are those who do.

07-29-2011, 04:38 PM	#6
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by crystax Wondering if Pentax has a FULL FRAME DSLR on the market right now? Now? No. In the future? Maybe. And some folks mod their Nikon dSLRs by replacing the mount with a PK. What pervs! Originally posted by crystax are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ? Lots of argument here. The main advantages are thinner DOF, and wider wides. When I put a 16mm or 21mm lens on my K1000 or ZX-M, they are WIDE! But modern UWA zooms kinda kill that advantage. And there are other, cheaper ways to get thin DOF. My K50/1.2 (US$250) cost much less than an FF dSLR (US$3K-10K). Current FF dSLRs are very well-built, with price tags to match. Will that change? Maybe. Maybe if Ricoh-Pentax releases an FF GXR mount module...

07-29-2011, 05:00 PM	#7
bobva Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Tacoma Everett Posts: 53	RioRico And some folks mod their nikon DSLRs by replacing the mount with a PK. What Pervs. Im sorry ................. Layman's terms please

07-29-2011, 05:15 PM	#8
twitch Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,571	Ouch, even the thread title is like a stab to the heart. Originally posted by crystax are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ? Please please, show some mercy

07-29-2011, 05:18 PM	#9
TomB_tx Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,446	The biggest advantage to FF is that the perspective of the lenses designed for the FF film format remain the same. With all the older lenses from film cameras around, it makes availability better, especially for wide angle lenses. With a smaller sensor, the older lenses can be used, but it only covers the center part of the old FF image, so that a 35mm "wide angle" lens acts like a 50mm standard lens. If you want really wide angle lenses, you need to use new ones made for the smaller sensors for best results. However, the APS smaller sensor in the K-5 and Nikon D7000 gives great results with lenses made for that size sensor, and darn good results with the older lenses. If you aren't worried about using older lenses, don't worry about "full frame" - if the lens range you want is available for that camera. You don't need a ton of lenses anyway. I've collected a bunch over the years, but use the same 2 or 3 almost all the time.

07-29-2011, 05:37 PM	#10
bobva Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Tacoma Everett Posts: 53	Originally posted by crystax are there any major benefits to using a full frame digital SLR anyway ? Myself personally I think full frame DSLR suck. they are frickin huge. At least the ones I've seen and held, In fact I hate my K200d size wise compared to my KX Film camera.

07-29-2011, 05:52 PM	#11
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by bobva RioRico And some folks mod their nikon DSLRs by replacing the mount with a PK. What Pervs. Im sorry ................. Layman's terms please glossary (in alphabetical order): dSLRs: digital single-lens-reflex cameras folks: people, mostly mod: modify / alter mount: what the lens fits onto Nikon: a camera brand pervs: perverts (I'm joking!) PK: Pentax K-mount, what our Pentax dSLRs have Translation: Some owners of Nikon (or even Canon) full-frame (FF) cameras (older ones, usually) will modify the hardware by removing the native mount (the one that's built into the camera) and replacing it with a Pentax K-mount piece. That PK mount piece might be salvaged from a wrecked old Pentax camera. Why do this? The answer has to do with REGISTER or flange-focal distance, the distance from the lens mount to the frame (film or sensor). Register for Canon EOS is 44mm; for Pentax it's 45.46mm; for Nikon it's 46.5mm. Lenses are built with camera bodies of the same register. Longer-register lenses can fit onto shorter-register bodies AND CAN FOCUS TO INFINITY. Shorter-register lenses on longer-register bodies CANNOT focus to infinity. So I can cut a Nikon lens a little bit, and use it on my Pentax. And Canon bodies can use almost any Pentax or Nikon lenses. But Pentax bodies can't use Canon lenses, and Nikon can't use either Canon or Pentax lenses. Canon owners who mod their bods usually do so for convenience; dedicate an old bod for fine Pentax glass, eh? For Nikon owners, it's more critical -- it's the ONLY way they can use Pentax lenses, and still have infinity focus. Well, there is another way, using optical adapters that change the focal length and kill image quality. Yuck. So if you have an old extra Nikon FF dSLR and you want to use great Pentax Takumar glass on it, you do a little body-chopping. I have some nice Nikon lenses that I got cheap, so I do it the other way around: I mod the lenses. Takes about 5 minutes per lens. No big deal. Oops, someone emailed asking how to do that -- I'd better reply soon.

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adr1an Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 739	Rio: Or you could just point them to the Wiki Dictionary - The Pentax Wiki

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bobva Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Tacoma Everett Posts: 53	Originally posted by adr1an Rio: Or you could just point them to the Wiki Dictionary - The Pentax Wiki That NEEDS to be a sticky

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adr1an Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 739	Originally posted by bobva That NEEDS to be a sticky Its been suggested - as well as adding it as a Menu option up top. Not sure where its at though...

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bobva Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Tacoma Everett Posts: 53	Originally posted by adr1an Its been suggested - as well as adding it as a Menu option up top. Not sure where its at though... I'll tell one thing its in my bookmarks now. Thank you