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01-04-2007, 08:28 PM   #31
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Richdog: There are those who swear by the Tamron 90mm f2.8 (me amongst them) To be truthful tho, while people in both camps (D-FA 100 and Tamrom 90mm DI) might come to blows defending their favorite, there probably is a nanometer distance between the two. Both are sharp throughout their f stops, both are 1:1 macros, both have focus limiter switches, both have good color and good bokeh. If you do A LOT of insect and animal macros the 100mm of the Pentax lets you stay out a bit farther so maybe you don't frighten the beasties as much, but if you do that much insect macro work you should be using a 200mm anyway. For a prime, my 90mm Tamron is pretty damn versitile. Macro, short tele, excellent portrait lens, all in a single body.

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it comes down to money.. where i live (UK) no pentax rebates.. it would have to be the sigma 105mm macro.. the pentax would cost me not far short of 900 us dollars.. kinda frightening..

take look at UK pentax prices and cry for me.. he he

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ps.. 1.97 US dollars to the pound..
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QuoteOriginally posted by trog100 Quote
ps.. 1.97 US dollars to the pound..
That really hurts! 149.99 GBP for the 18-55mm?!? I'm not even bothering to convert $199.99 CDN for the same thing in Canada!
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AS with NaClH2O I have the Tamron 90 and love it.. I really think there is less than nothing between it and the Pentax.. However I am finding that it gives up trying to focus on the K10d from time to time... Just hunts and stops without getting focus.. Its the only lens doing it on my K10d, so I am not sure if it is the Camera, lens or combo?

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just for interest my k100 body cost me 420 without postage which translates to about 840 US with postage.. he he

that was the cheapest price i could find..

entry level aint got to the UK yet.. he he

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QuoteOriginally posted by NaClH2O Quote
Richdog: There are those who swear by the Tamron 90mm f2.8 (me amongst them) To be truthful tho, while people in both camps (D-FA 100 and Tamrom 90mm DI) might come to blows defending their favorite, there probably is a nanometer distance between the two. Both are sharp throughout their f stops, both are 1:1 macros, both have focus limiter switches, both have good color and good bokeh. If you do A LOT of insect and animal macros the 100mm of the Pentax lets you stay out a bit farther so maybe you don't frighten the beasties as much, but if you do that much insect macro work you should be using a 200mm anyway. For a prime, my 90mm Tamron is pretty damn versitile. Macro, short tele, excellent portrait lens, all in a single body.

NaCl( of course I'm biased!)H2O
Ahh... so a 200m macro allows you to retain the 1:! zoom while being further away from the subject, correct? I'm learning a few things now.

I do shoot a lot of bees, butterflies etc in summer... but looking at the prices the 200mm macro lenses seem hideously expensive if this is the type Amazon.co.uk: Pentax SMC 200mm f4 A ED Macro Lens with case: Electronics & Photo

I think my budget could only stretch to the 100mm Pentax macro... unless anyone knows of any cheaper good 1:1 200mm lenses lol.
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Amazon.co.uk does not have stock for 200mm macro.

I already asked and took them ages to reply. And they do not ship overseas either
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Richdog: I got my Tamron thru KEH, paid a little over 200 USD for it plus shipping. Check them out, excellent source of used glass. They do ship internationally, I think you have to register your plastic with them or some such. For more info got to KEH.com and click on help which will bring up their FAQ screen. They are more expensive than eekbay but their ratings are conservative and they are good on returns. I'm always leery of buying stuff on eekbay.

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I realize that it is an older thread, but didn't realize that before doing the legwork and noticing the date and the replies. So, I'll waste some cyber electrons anyway.

If I was strictly limited to $1000 over and above the cost of the body, for lenses and accessories, and knowing what I know now after two plus years of using Pentax dSLR cameras, this is what I would spend my $1000 budget on (considering the OP desires and wishes) . . .

Option A.) All new equipment, all Pentax

1.) SMC Pentax-DA 18-55/3.5-5.6 AL (the kit lens) ~$80? (get it with the body)
2.) SMC Pentax-DA 50-200/4-5.6 ED ~$230 minus $50 rebate
3.) SMC Pentax-FA 35/2.0 AL ~$300
4.) SMC Pentax-D FA 100/2.8 macro ~$540 minus $100 rebate

subtotal = ~$1150 minus $150 in rebates = $1000

Option B.) The way I would go

1.) SMC Pentax-DA 18-55/3.5-5.6 AL (the kit lens) ~$80? (get it with the body)
2.) SMC Pentax-DA 50-200/4-5.6 ED ~$230 minus $50 rebate
3.) SMC Pentax-FA 35/2.0 AL ~$300
4.) Tamron 90/2.8 macro ~$300 used from KEH, at least EX+ quality
5.) Tamron 1.4x AF teleconverter ~$60

subtotal = ~$970 minus $50 rebate = $920

Leaving $80 left over for three UV filters (DA and FA lenses), one 52mm circular polarizer and one 52mm to 49mm step-down ring (for attaching the polarizer to the FA35).

I'd get the 'kit twins' and the teleconverter which will take me from 18mm up to 280mm with optics that have well-proven themselves. The macro I'd get used from KEH (as I if fact did). Less expensive that way, and always seems to be available from them. If they don't have one now, just wait a week or two when they will get some more. They have a f/2.5 version currently available for $215, but it is only rated EX quality. I'd hold out for an EX+ one.

The 52mm circular polarizer will fit both the kit lens and the 50-200. With the step-down ring, you can fit it to your prime lens, the 'normal' angle-of-view FA35/2.0, which will become your 'default' lens.

If you want to do some informal portrait work or indoor, low-light snapshot work, substitute the FA50/1.4 for the FA35/2.0 lens. In and out of stock, so jump on one when you find it. About a hundred bucks less expensive, so will leave you some extra for a nice bag or a Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye.

Anyway, FWIW, that's my recommendation.
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"$1150 minus $150 in rebates = $1000"

i am crying even louder.. the bloody pentax macro on its own would cost me nearly that.. grrrr.. grrrr

swop the dollar signs for pounds take off the pentax rebate which we dont get and the total price to me more than doubles..

its seem pentax is taking the piss.. my government is taking the piss.. in fact everybody is taking the piss.. and us poor UK dudes are being blatanly ripped off.. he he he

trog

ps.. the cheaper 50mm sigma macro will work nicely with a cheapo 1.5 tele on the end giving u better than 1:1 and the sigma 70 to 300 does nice 1:2 macros from about two feet.. perfect for anything other than very small insects and stuff.. it will also probably work nearly 1:1 with the 1.5 tele in use but be hard to focus and get deep enough dof..

i would try the 70 x 300s macro abilites before paying big money for another macro lens..

a 70 x 300 macro example..






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01-05-2007, 06:13 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by SpecialK
I wish I did not have my camera. Then I could have the fun of buying a system all over again. LOL.


QuoteOriginally posted by Retnuhrace Quote
Haha... it's been fun and confusing for me at the same time. One question though: what would I really need a 10-17mm for?
Well, it makes a great landscape lens at 17mm, and can make some "wow" shots at 10 or 12. Not on everyone's list perhaps, but it might be my favorite.

Perhaps your idea of "general scenery shots" is not the same as mine for landscapes...:-)

I'd post an example or two, but I used my quota in 3 lens reviews (this one included).

Have fun with whatever you get - that is the point of it all.
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Ok guys... I THOUGHT I had made my final decision, but I really didn't.


Hate to drive you guys (and myself) crazy again, but here is my latest package:

Pentax K100D: $481 - $50 rebate = $431
Pentax DA 16-45: $388 - $100 rebate = $288
Pentax DA 50-200: $210 - $50 rebate = $160
Pentax DA 10-17 fisheye (SpecialK, you hooked me on this one): $429 - $100 rebate = $329
Pentax FA 100mm macro: $479 - $100 rebate = $379

Total: $1988 - $400 in rebates = $1588.



What do you guys think? I guess it's between this and the previous Sigma package that I "decided" on. Obviously I have to decide on this today to be able to get those rebates. Again, thanks for the help!
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Sounds great

QuoteOriginally posted by Retnuhrace Quote
Ok guys... I THOUGHT I had made my final decision, but I really didn't.


Hate to drive you guys (and myself) crazy again, but here is my latest package:

Pentax K100D: $481 - $50 rebate = $431
Pentax DA 16-45: $388 - $100 rebate = $288
Pentax DA 50-200: $210 - $50 rebate = $160
Pentax DA 10-17 fisheye (SpecialK, you hooked me on this one): $429 - $100 rebate = $329
Pentax FA 100mm macro: $479 - $100 rebate = $379

Total: $1988 - $400 in rebates = $1588.



What do you guys think? I guess it's between this and the previous Sigma package that I "decided" on. Obviously I have to decide on this today to be able to get those rebates. Again, thanks for the help!
Just one note about this set-up.

Fisheye is a specialty lens and it does not translate itself into a daily use photography tool. It is intended for exageration, for an artistic intent "trying" to make an ordinary image into something that stands out or makes a statement.

IMHO, I would wait til you have used the remaining of the set up before rushing onto fisheye. Most of the time, the fisheye lens images give the audience the answer : "This must be a fish eye lens image!" following by some detailed inspection about what the image is trying to tell.

Just a thought. It happened to me that I bought 3 fisheye lenses in my previous camera set-up: canon 15 f2.8, sigma 15 f2.8 and sigma 8mm f4; their images make up less than 1% of all my images - not sure how well my money was spent


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Just one note about this set-up.

Fisheye is a specialty lens and it does not translate itself into a daily use photography tool. It is intended for exageration, for an artistic intent "trying" to make an ordinary image into something that stands out or makes a statement.

IMHO, I would wait til you have used the remaining of the set up before rushing onto fisheye. Most of the time, the fisheye lens images give the audience the answer : "This must be a fish eye lens image!" following by some detailed inspection about what the image is trying to tell.

Just a thought. It happened to me that I bought 3 fisheye lenses in my previous camera set-up: canon 15 f2.8, sigma 15 f2.8 and sigma 8mm f4; their images make up less than 1% of all my images - not sure how well my money was spent
Like a macro lens is not a speciality lens?

I use ithe 10-17mm far more than 1%. And photography is an art so why not use an artistic tool? Used properly, it is very effective. "Some detailed inspection" is up to you.

That's like saying "oh, close up - must be a macro guy. What's he trying to say?"

But yes, not everyone wants the same thing.

And the setup looks good. Covers all the bases.
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I think there is a bit more utility to the 100mm macro than there is to the fisheye. I don't debate that the fisheye is fun and could be used frequently, but I see at least a flash missing from that setup.
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