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01-09-2013, 12:50 PM   #1
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Hi I'm a Pentax user who becoming a photographer in this year. I really enjoy using K-5 with 16-50 everytime for several years since 2007(I used istD also.) When I read and study about composition, flash lights, and other things, I start to think about to change my camera gears for FF. I know that Crop sensor is still good but I wish to use better camera for my work. but Pentax does not have a FF body and lens(not film and crop lens that can compitable to FF). 645D could be good choice but It's tooooo expensive to me right now. Pentax have few lens and body for FF.

I'm really thinking to move to other brands for FF. but I can't let my Pentax away...

Should I wait for FF???

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Who knows when it will happen ... nobody knows ...
They say this year something MIGHT happen ... but nobody knows nothing ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by rlatjsrud Quote
Should I wait for FF???
Give Pentax one more year. Some sources are saying that their FF will finally be announced at the end of 2013 or early next year.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rlatjsrud Quote
When I read and study about composition, flash lights, and other things, I start to think about to change my camera gears for FF. I know that Crop sensor is still good but I wish to use better camera for my work.
To be honest, the fullest frame camera in the world wouldn't make as big of an impact on your photos as composition and lighting.

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It's not just the camera, it's lenses too. You have to either have the lenses you need and figure they'll work, or figure Pentax will release something with the camera. They probably will release a 28-70 and a 70-200 with the camera, not because I am a Pentax insider but because they would be dumb not to. Something more specialized, maybe a really wide angle, you may have to wait longer for.

I think there are still too many unknowns: date of availability, price, lenses, and performance. I'd at least look at the cost of buying another brand's offering today, then what you might lose by selling in a year or two.
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I wouldn't base my decision on a Pentax announcement that hasn't happened yet. If you need a 135-format ("full frame") sensor, buy it. If you don't need one but want one anyway, and this desire outweighs your preference to stick with Pentax, and you can afford it, buy it. A K-5 and * lens is certainly capable enough for pro-quality work, but there are applications where the larger sensor is a better choice, not to mention some of the other features where Pentax lags behind.
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In what way is an APS-C camera limiting your photography? If you need a 135 format camera to accomplish what you need in order to fulfill your work requirements, you should move on to a brand that fits your needs. After all, Pentax does not offer a 135 format camera and there is no way of knowing when one will be available.
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What I don't understand is why you think full frame is better? Better at what? The whole issue is more about composition of images than format. And this really only impacts if you are shooting either ultra wide or in some limited ways if you are shooting ultra fast and wide open trying to blurr the background, although that is just as easily managed by composition and control of the shooting.

In your post you mention composition (not format related at all) flash lights(not format related) and other things. Exactly what other things do you mean???

For me the whole full frame argument is blown way out of proportion by people marketing hugely expensive cameras with lower resolute than APS-C sensors, on the promise that they are somehow better

An argument that bigger individual pixels makes for lower noise is dying a merciful death with the ongoing improvements in sensor noise, just look at the progression of high ISO noise performance from K10 to K7 to K5 as an example. We can now shoot at ISO 5000 and get better results than you could with film at ISO 400. I have posted shots that prove this type of comparison in other threads.

So again, why is FF better?.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Lowell Goudge Quote

So again, why is FF better?.
At least a stop better SNR, more DOF control overall, and the capability to achieve higher resolution before diffraction takes an unacceptable toll.

It's better in these ways, but everyone has to decide if it's 'better enough' for what they need/want to do with photography.

(and the thought of the FA Limiteds on a FF Pentax body should give anyone a thrill )
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I'm not sure, perhaps the OP is unsure about whether he needs to go FF but feels he is at the stage where he needs to add flash and other accessories, and is reticent to do so in case he opts to go FF in the future and therefore change systems. Another reason why it makes sense for Pentax to offer such a camera in their range.
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To anybody debating if a FF camera is required for a pro photographer or not: If a customer wants you to shoot FF, then it is a requirement.

I myself was never even interested in FF before I started doing paid assignments. Quickly though, I ran into customers requiring me to shoot FF. As a photographer it is not my job to debate their needs. It's chosing between either tending to their needs, or losing them.

Waiting for Pentax FF is like waiting for doomsday. There are new rumors all the time, and it is always just one year away. Solution is the same for both: Believe it when you see it, but don't put life on hold until it's really there. Need an FF camera? Then buy an FF camera.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
To anybody debating if a FF camera is required for a pro photographer or not: If a customer wants you to shoot FF, then it is a requirement.

I myself was never even interested in FF before I started doing paid assignments. Quickly though, I ran into customers requiring me to shoot FF. As a photographer it is not my job to debate their needs. It's chosing between either tending to their needs, or losing them.

Waiting for Pentax FF is like waiting for doomsday. There are new rumors all the time, and it is always just one year away. Solution is the same for both: Believe it when you see it, but don't put life on hold until it's really there. Need an FF camera? Then buy an FF camera.
On what grounds do they tell you to shoot FF?
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On what grounds do they tell you to shoot FF?
Only three of my customers have this requirement. One customer just has it as a standard requirement for their photographers. The two others are convinced that it goes without saying that pro's shoot FF, because of the superior IQ.

If their reasons are correct or not, doesn't matter at all. They're the customer.
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If they stipulated FF but didn't actually see my camera, I would be very tempted to lie... The images should be judged on the quality alone, not a preconceived notion that only FF will do...
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It's pointless to debate whether the OP or customers really need a particular sensor format. They may not need FF but it's mostly their decision.

I really need Pentax's FF digital, and everyone to dump their inadequate APS-C gear on the market at 30% of its cost. My photos would improve a lot.
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